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cecil98 12/30/07 10:15 AM

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....I love how you are shoving (disrespecting) the lower classes onto not only a track that is too small to be anything but follow the leader or bump and bang, but now telling them to run on Sunday afternoon.......Perhaps you would see it differently if someone had the opinion that when USAC was at Lburg, you had to race on Sunday, they only cared about the cars that made the A main and the rest should pit at the Casino and not even bother coming in the gate...TQ97

A little different scenario with USAC. They put people in the grandstands. Even if they ran on a Sunday afternoon, there would be people in the grandstands. Plenty of'em. Also, you're lumping AMSA with the rest of the support classes at L'Burg. I didn't say anything about pure stock and Mods. If I had my say, it would be sprints, mods and pure stocks every regular show. You also have to understand, TQ97, that this is simply my personal preference and that I only speak for myself and a few other like-minded fans whom I know (and have spoken with about the subject) personally. In addition, no one said anything about your "not" trying to put on a good show. It just isn't working out for you. It's simply a bad show on a large track, no matter how hard you try. Your description of what it would be like on the motorcycle track sounds much more interesting to watch than what we're seeing on the big track.

Charles Nungester 12/30/07 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by cecil98 (Post 22673)
....I love how you are shoving (disrespecting) the lower classes onto not only a track that is too small to be anything but follow the leader or bump and bang, but now telling them to run on Sunday afternoon.......Perhaps you would see it differently if someone had the opinion that when USAC was at Lburg, you had to race on Sunday, they only cared about the cars that made the A main and the rest should pit at the Casino and not even bother coming in the gate...TQ97

A little different scenario with USAC. They put people in the grandstands. Even if they ran on a Sunday afternoon, there would be people in the grandstands. Plenty of'em. Also, your lumping AMSA with the rest of the support classes at L'Burg. I didn't say anything about pure stock and Mods. If I had my say, it would be sprints, mods and pure stocks every regular show. You also have to understand, TQ97, that this is simply my personal preference and that I only speak for myself and a few other like-minded fans whom I know (and have spoken with about the subject) personally. In addition, no one said anything about your "not" trying to put on a good show. It just isn't working out for you. It's simply a bad show on a large track, no matter how hard you try. Your description of what it would be like on the motorcycle track sounds much more interesting to watch than what we're seeing on the big track.

DITTO!

Sprint Fan 12/30/07 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by OHracer (Post 22406)
I see this series being very successful. From the looks of the schedule there is a nice variety of tracks, and great purses for the racers. The AMSA seems to be very dependent on Lawrenceburg ,and with it going to a 3/8ths mile track it will be a little big for this class to run all of the time, I believe the racing will suffer on a track that big.

Back to the original point of the post, I agree with OHracer I think this is going to work and grow numbers, not split and decrease numbers.

Gives the guys running 600 uprights and sidewinders a next step before (or if) moving on up to full sprints.

I for one like this and hope it works for all!

GEE LOOK A POST WITH NO BASHING! :eek::applaud::eek:

cecil98 12/30/07 11:31 AM

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DITTO!....Chuck N

DANG, CHUCK!!! You beatin' up on me too!!! LOL


Ps...Uh-Oh Chuck, I may have misread your DITTO post.. LOL..you agreeing with me or the other guy?

cecil98 12/30/07 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by somebodysmam (Post 22628)
AMSA ran a total of 17 races
8 Lawrenceburg
2 Nationals Lawrenceburg
thats 10
4 at Twin Cities
2 at Thunder Valley
1 at Osgood
For a grand total of 17 races ran
Twin Cities canceled 1 race [ all the workers went to Eldora for the World 100]
Montplier canceled at least 3[Don't think they ran anything last summer]
and there was 1 rain out at Lawrenceburg
so it would of been 11 Lawrenceburg
10 at other tracks for a total of 21 races
Gee I can count.

now you're changing your numbers. I simply went by the numbers you used in the previous post. Are you still counting the cancellation at North Vernon and the 3 cancelled shows at Montpelier to come up with 21? Before, you said 3 at North Vernon. Ok, we'll say 4 now. Taking L'Burg out of the schedule that's 7 parades instead of 6. Still not a "life-sustaining" schedule. You desparately need L'Burg, otherwise, there is no sense in owning one of those things in this area.

Chris Nunn 12/30/07 11:53 AM

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Cecil, no knock on you, but is there any type of racing other than Non Winged Sprints that you like?

I know you used to work on a Late Model, but, seriously. Let them race. Just go pee when they come on the track

Ah hell nevermind, I saw your other post about what you would run if you were promoting. Cancel what I just said. Happy New Year!

cecil98 12/30/07 12:11 PM

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you can knock on me any time you want Chris. Lord knows I've beat up on you enough :emote20:. As for my preference in racing? In order of preference, I obviously love the non-winged sprints first, then the IRL and Indy (although I'm pretty frustrated with how things are evolving with that group), winged sprints, Late Models, Mods, and finally, street stocks. My son and I have three good friends who run late models, David Spille, Scott James and Josh Williams. I enjoy watching those guys race but, I wouldn't likely go to a late model race unless somebody I knew real well, such as those guys, was involved. Same with the other stock car classes. You need support classes at local shows and the stock cars such as mods and street stocks are much better suited for that role than the minis and TQ's. As for winged sprints? I personally believe non-wingers put on a better show week in-week out but, I will pay to go to watch a winged race a few times a year. If we could afford it, we would run a lot more wing shows per year than we do but, it's just too expensive for us to do on a weekly basis so, we run 2 to 4 wing shows a season. I love how stable they are but, I get stomach acid sitting up in the stands wondering what it's doing to my precious little motor (and tires)!

OOPS! FORGOT!...happy new year to you, as well, Chris!

Chris Nunn 12/30/07 12:31 PM

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Im wearing my "Im Scott James *****" T Shirt as we speak

cecil98 12/30/07 12:43 PM

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Im wearing my "Im Scott James *****" T Shirt as we speak...Chris Nunn


My son is down in Gatlinburg as we speak, suffering from a hangover from last night's Scott & Mehgan James wedding. As of last night Scott is no longer his own boss!!!!!! BTW..that is a great T-shirt!!!:rolling:

Chris Nunn 12/30/07 12:48 PM

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I knew they were getting married, just didnt know when, Congrats to the newlyweds!

TQ97 12/30/07 1:10 PM

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A little different scenario with USAC. They put people in the grandstands. Even if they ran on a Sunday afternoon, there would be people in the grandstands. Plenty of'em. Also, you're lumping AMSA with the rest of the support classes at L'Burg. I didn't say anything about pure stock and Mods. If I had my say, it would be sprints, mods and pure stocks every regular show. You also have to understand, TQ97, that this is simply my personal preference and that I only speak for myself and a few other like-minded fans whom I know (and have spoken with about the subject) personally. In addition, no one said anything about your "not" trying to put on a good show. It just isn't working out for you. It's simply a bad show on a large track, no matter how hard you try. Your description of what it would be like on the motorcycle track sounds much more interesting to watch than what we're seeing on the big track.[/QUOTE]

You completly missed my point, it wasn't about USAC. It was about your disrespectful opinion that puts the cars on tracks that are too small, and while you're at it "do it on Sunday afternoon".

cecil98 12/30/07 1:50 PM

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Actually TQ97, that sunday afternoon-early evening suggestion was to save the "minis" some serious torture! We raced go-karts over there for years and to wait 2hrs while 15 different motorcycle classes (some redundant!!) run before you get to go out for your 3 minute heat race is pure torture!! I'm serious, that's what I was thinking with regard to sunday afternoon. You don't want to race there on a friday night. BELIEVE ME! LOL As for "dissing" your sport? It wasn't meant to be a diss. I just can't make myself like something I simply don't like. On a similar note, I have both friends and relatives who could care less about sprint car racing (or racing in general) and wouldn't come down to watch us run if it was free. I don't consider them, or their opinions, as being disrespectful. They simply aren't interested, don't lik'em. Simple as that. Why should I consider their tastes in entertainment disrespectful simply because they don't have the same passion as I do for racing?

JPM 12/30/07 4:07 PM

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Originally Posted by cecil98 (Post 22698)
Actually TQ97, that sunday afternoon-early evening suggestion was to save the "minis" some serious torture! We raced go-karts over there for years and to wait 2hrs while 15 different motorcycle classes (some redundant!!) run before you get to go out for your 3 minute heat race is pure tortue!! I'm serious, that's what I was thinking with regard to sunday afternoon. You don't want to race there on a friday night. BELIEVE ME! LOL As for "dissing" your sport? It wasn't meant to be a diss. I just can't make myself like something I simply don't like. On a similar note, I have both friends and relatives who could care less about sprint car racing (or racing in general) and wouldn't come down to watch us run if it was free. I don't consider them, or their opinions, as being disrespectful. They simply aren't interested, don't lik'em. Simple as that. Why should I consider their tastes in entertainment disrespectful simply because they don't have the same passion as I do for racing?

so if you claim to not care about this kind of racing. why spend time putting your two cents in on it. you could have read the post clicked and not posted anything since this was just info for another series you claim to not care about and dislike. if more people would read and not get post off topic this board would be much better.

TQ97 12/30/07 4:11 PM

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You hadn't explained yourself to that extent previously...you stated your dislike and then stated to run them on Sunday afternoon. Put those 2 together and it sounds disrespectful to me, like run them on something not like a real race track and at an odd time when I don't have to view them.

Your opinion is your opinion, but it still puzzles me how a sprint or open wheel fan would rather see bombers, mods, or stocks instead of minis or TQs as a support class, especially when a number of the big name drivers (Stewart, Wise, Leffler, Drake, Kruseman) and local stars (Welpott, Puterbaugh, Knoke, Sheffell, Franks) started in TQs.

cecil98 12/31/07 11:01 AM

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Your opinion is your opinion, but it still puzzles me how a sprint or open wheel fan would rather see bombers, mods, or stocks instead of minis or TQs as a support class, especially when a number of the big name drivers (Stewart, Wise, Leffler, Drake, Kruseman) and local stars (Welpott, Puterbaugh, Knoke, Sheffell, Franks) started in TQs...TQ97

I'm not a huge stock car fan (just a fan of some of the drivers like Dave Cook and Jeff Harris at the Burg) but, they are much better suited to the larger track and generally put on a better show (IMHO) than the mini's and TQ's. As far as a stepping stone to sprint cars? Any one of those you mentioned here could have gone straight from a WKA Briggs go-kart and succeeded in sprinters. They're race car drivers. It's also my "opinion" that a smaller track would give them much better driving experience than a track like L'Burg where they're flatout and simply steering them straight through the turns. You also asked why I chose to comment on this topic? It's because it affects my viewing experience at L'Burg, which is my home track. I'm simply stating my preferences on here for fans, drivers and promotors to see. Obviously, people are going to disagree with me and that is fine. As I've said several times on this site, this is a forum where people can express their opinions, both positive an negative.


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