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Congrats to a great kid from a great family on a great run at Salem! Keep it up.

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Originally Posted by OpenwheelRob:
After reading these posts it makes me think, I see the term 'Jealousy' thrown around a lot. A thought came to my mind is it really jealousy or confusion? While I was growing up I played stick and ball sports and for the most part there were 'Tryouts' because they wanted the best TALENT they could get. So after years and years of competing it was drilled into my head and many others that if you are the best/most talented you will have a place. However, racing is sooo confusing because that is not the case at all...

I remember when I had my first taste of it, I had raced a few times and each time had finished better than a certain female driver. Then I hear she signed a 'Development Deal' and I thought to myself, ***? How does that work? How can someone that hasn't even won a race get a deal like that? I wasn't 'Jealous' I was confused! I never felt I deserved the chance, I felt one of 10 other guys who kicked my butt deserved it...but they didn't get it. How can you be the best and get passed up? It's doesn't seem right? It's like an NFL team choosing some kid from High School in the draft over the Heisman Trophy winner, it's odd and most don't understand it.

Bottom line at the upper levels it's not THE BEST driver's, it's the best drivers that can AFFORD it. Most people haven't learned that yet, and it is a tough pill to swallow because it goes against what we learn growing up. I don't mean to take anything away from Dakota as I've said before, good for him! As for you people coming on here trying to convince us that this deal was done on TALENT alone you can sell that somewhere else. As Jeff Hammond would say, That dog won't hunt.

This right here.

I hope Dakota does great, just another open wheel driver we can support in the upper levels of motorsports. What really frustrates me though is a situation similar to openwheelrob. Seeing people you've beaten consistently for years, or drivers that typically run in the back, getting the opprotunity to move to a higher level, even though they have won, or proven nothing. It makes no sense. And with the rising costs of sprint cars/midgets it is hard for an owner to justify hiring a driver that can't bring money to the team.

My dad once told me; There's some guy racing go-carts that can go out and kick Steve Kinser's ass, but will never have the opportunity because he can't afford it.

Simple facts of racing.

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Great job Dakoda!

Good Luck with your future events.:8:

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Originally Posted by hoosierfan:
It is a funny joke but he did earn his major sponsorship in a nationwide competition did he not?
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This bring's yet another thought, he did win a nationwide competition 'with an age limit' he was the best between the ages of 16 through 26 or something like that. Again, did THE BEST driver win? We will never know.

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Did money have something to do with this? Probably had a little to do with it. But, there are a ton of kids who show up with money and very few ever get one of these development deals. Let alone Penske. He's a self-made billionaire, worth like $3 billion. So, he's one of these people who sometimes sees the potential in things, before other people have and takes a chance on them. And if Craig is willing to reduce some of Roger's downside risk in this gamble, then it's a no lose situation. If Dakoda is a success, then the Captain ends up looking like a genius. If not, then no great loss. Bottom line, though, he wouldn't be taking the gamble if he didn't see some upside potential in the kid.

When I saw that Dakoda had this good finish and that Caleb had won his first USAC National event, the first thing I thought of was how much of an effect the influence of Kevin Besecker had to have had on all of this. At the time of his hiring, I remember having a lot of discussions with people and the general consensus was that this was a shrewd move on the part of the Armstrongs. I don't know too many people that like taking situations that have happened, breaking them down into pieces and explaining them, more than what Kevin does. Or someone who more understands the importance of a good mentor.

Only time will tell how this deal works out. Like Danny B and I were talking about on the hill @ Bloomington last weekend, racing is a microcosm of life. It's isn't always fair and it isn't always logical. If you spend all of your time being obsessed with this part of it, you'll miss a lot of the incidental, subtle good parts that happen.

Jerry

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service manager, its big pimpin not pimpim. ur spelling skill is about as equal as ur knowledge of young talent in open wheel racing. cole has never won anything on pavement which is why dakoda is so successful. not only did he win the orlando race with all the hot shots watching, he did it with under budget equipment. most all the other cars had more money put into their engine alone than dakoda had in his entire car. i'd expect someone to be successful if they drive for keith kunz and a big fancy red bull sticker on their car. if they cant win with him, then they cant do **** in racing. not only is dakoda going big, but his cousin caleb just won jegs crown race in columbus last weekend, and his little brother dalton is also makin his way into the open wheel scene. so dont worry fellas there'll be plenty of talented armstrongs that u can talk **** about in the next few years. oh wait..whats this im hearing. dakoda finished 3rd behind parker at salem in the arca race? hmm. provin u jealous dumbasses wrong already. keep it up buddy, if they're talkin it means ur doin somethin.

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Originally Posted by bigpimpin35:
service manager, its big pimpin not pimpim. ur spelling skill is about as equal as ur knowledge of young talent in open wheel racing. cole has never won anything on pavement which is why dakoda is so successful. not only did he win the orlando race with all the hot shots watching, he did it with under budget equipment. most all the other cars had more money put into their engine alone than dakoda had in his entire car. i'd expect someone to be successful if they drive for keith kunz and a big fancy red bull sticker on their car. if they cant win with him, then they cant do **** in racing. not only is dakoda going big, but his cousin caleb just won jegs crown race in columbus last weekend, and his little brother dalton is also makin his way into the open wheel scene. so dont worry fellas there'll be plenty of talented armstrongs that u can talk **** about in the next few years. oh wait..whats this im hearing. dakoda finished 3rd behind parker at salem in the arca race? hmm. provin u jealous dumbasses wrong already. keep it up buddy, if they're talkin it means ur doin somethin.

ur...your
skill...skill's
ur....your
cole...Cole
dakota...Dakota
i'd...I'd
keith...Keith
kunz....Kunz
red...Red
bull....Bull
cant....can't
not...Not
caleb...Caleb
jegs...Jeg's
columbus...Columbus
dalton....Dalton
makin....making
so....So
dont.....don't
armstrongs.....Armstrong's
u....you
oh.....Oh
whats....what's
dakota....Dakota
parker....Parker
salem....Salem
provin....proving
u...you
dumbasses.....dumb asses
keep....Keep
talkin....talking
ur.....your
doin....doing
somethin...something

Maybe the other guy hit the wrong key.....:5:

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Nice one Pine.


Anyway there is one person that has been overlooked for Dakoda being the successful
Racer/ polite Young man that he is and that would be Kevin Besecker. Not to take away from
Dakoda parents but Kevin is a very impressionable person. His guidance and mentorship
would help any young man. Kevin was and still is a champion as a former driver and team leader.
If you have not met Kevin please take time to do so. You will see what I mean the
very first time you meet. He gets it honest from His Dad and Grandfather.
And as most know that behind every man is a good women and I am Glad to see her back.

Good luck Dakoda

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I love Brad Kuhn and will never forget when his B-Day is.

Regards,

The New # 1 Brad Kuhn Fan

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I do not want to upset to many people, but the #1 Brad Kuhn fan is some guy on here that goes by the name Speed 9.

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Swaybar; Sorry to hear about your head injury. Don't give up hope! Great strides are being made in the treatment of brain trauma. There's probably not much they can do about your lack of testicles though.

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:15: The insult to Lauren above is really out of bounds to be on this board and in civil life. That guy should spend time banned in the penalty box.

What Lauren has said is : YOU REALLY DO NOT KNOW THE TERMS OF THE PENSKE DEAL with Dakoda...this is ALL CONJECTURE and wild guessing.

I was going to stay out of this fray...but I am here to be positive...The ARMSTRONG RACING team has won BIG races,,,they have a knack for choosing to run BIG MONEY races...and winning. Sure Dakoda has won in the midgets...and on pavement more...Sure the sprint car program is behind the midget effort...They have been in the midgets much longer..plus he is very young.

BUT...The fact remains...The Armstrong team has won big races...Dakoda is a fine talent to DEVELOP further.
Do not hold it against him just because he has this deal. All racers are independant contractors..there is more than one way to move up if you have a plan to get there.

My advice to Dakoda..and everyone...don't let this negative attitude effect you in any way. Keep your eye on what you want. Do not let these comments about the sprint cars upset you and cause you to overdrive angry..trying to prove anything.

Just remember...AJ Foyt was helped all along his career by his dad.

Another thing I find appalling is there have been a couple positive threads congratulating drivers like Kevin Swindell...and Dakoda...by friends and family ...and along come these guys like midgetmaniac, being a total buzzkill...being negative...***?...START ANOTHER THREAD...quit raining on parades.

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Originally Posted by swaybar:
***** go back to not posting and keep over tanning just because someone doesn't like you husbands boyfriend don't get all pissy!
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Hopefully Bill, Fred, D.O. or Spridge keep this IP address from ever posting again. There is no excuse for this kind of behavior, here. But, making anonymous attacks, while hiding behind a screen name is your M.O. and has been ever since you first signed on here.

Jerry

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I agree completely Jerry. As I said in when I reported the post, this jerk needs to be gone from IOW for a loooong time.................like forever.

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Originally Posted by Tony Barhorst:
:15: The insult to Lauren above is really out of bounds to be on this board and in civil life. That guy should spend time banned in the penalty box.

What Lauren has said is : YOU REALLY DO NOT KNOW THE TERMS OF THE PENSKE DEAL with Dakoda...this is ALL CONJECTURE and wild guessing.

I was going to stay out of this fray...but I am here to be positive...The ARMSTRONG RACING team has won BIG races,,,they have a knack for choosing to run BIG MONEY races...and winning. Sure Dakoda has won in the midgets...and on pavement more...Sure the sprint car program is behind the midget effort...They have been in the midgets much longer..plus he is very young.

BUT...The fact remains...The Armstrong team has won big races...Dakoda is a fine talent to DEVELOP further.
Do not hold it against him just because he has this deal. All racers are independant contractors..there is more than one way to move up if you have a plan to get there.

My advice to Dakoda..and everyone...don't let this negative attitude effect you in any way. Keep your eye on what you want. Do not let these comments about the sprint cars upset you and cause you to overdrive angry..trying to prove anything.

Just remember...AJ Foyt was helped all along his career by his dad.

Another thing I find appalling is there have been a couple positive threads congratulating drivers like Kevin Swindell...and Dakoda...by friends and family ...and along come these guys like midgetmaniac, being a total buzzkill...being negative...***?...START ANOTHER THREAD...quit raining on parades.

Buzzkill please !!!! I have been around racing along time and always speak the truth. If you don't want to hear it , then prove me wrong. I will ask this question again If it is all your money and you are in total control , who would you put in your ARCA car.I would put Bryan Clauson or Brad Kuhn in mine They have proven on a national scale that they are ready to move up. I take nothing away from Dakoda armstrong at all -good kid -good family and thankful for their input into open wheel racing. iIN MY OPINION ,these two drivers are more deseving of a PENSKE DEAL, thats it.

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The only reason I posted here was because of the moron that blasted Lauren. Maybe somehow someone will assign you Midgetmaniac to be a judge to on all knowing "Panel Of Those That Are Worthy Of A Ride" :9:

In the meantime..The Armstrong Team has worked their asses off in business and racing to get to this point. I am sure they root for many others to make the trek to Stock Car Land... I know just as many other teams that are busting their tails to make it..that may not...That doesn't take anything away from them. The Armstrongs have racked up wins against teams more well funded than them.

Look at Kevin Besecker...He is a racer...that maybe ran out of funds...did he cry about it...NO....now he is a fine crewcheif...that has a good track record/niche in racing.

Midgetmaniac..you may have a point..I just ask that maybe you start another thread aside from a thread that congratulates these young drivers.

Nothing personal.....Out

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LMAO...Alright-y then.

Okay, so I haven't been on here in awhile...kinda forgot about this thread really...but I signed on to see if I could find some info re: hot laps at Eldora (since Kev's phone connection was sucky) and low and behold...here we all are.

NE WAY...Swaybar or whatever can say/think what he/she wants...no problem here. I WILL say the tanning is so funny to me, tho...considering that I have only been to a tanning bed like 20 times (most of which were in the 90's LoL) in MY LIFE...(bit of a clostrophobe) and haven't had my lumpy ass in a swimsuit since like 2001. LoL...I'm actually in a strange way kind of flattered...

Now back to the subject at hand....Bottom line is this: No one has to agree on who deserves what or what is unfair or how things "should be". I just think that everyone should aknowledge FACTS when forming opinions....and fact is...none of you know those facts. Speculation, conjecture and rumors are not satisfactory substitutes, despite what some may think.

Okay, toodles...back to my quest to check on Kevin and his "boyfriendS"

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Originally Posted by Tony Barhorst:
The only reason I posted here was because of the moron that blasted Lauren. Maybe somehow someone will assign you Midgetmaniac to be a judge to on all knowing "Panel Of Those That Are Worthy Of A Ride" :9:

In the meantime..The Armstrong Team has worked their asses off in business and racing to get to this point. I am sure they root for many others to make the trek to Stock Car Land... I know just as many other teams that are busting their tails to make it..that may not...That doesn't take anything away from them. The Armstrongs have racked up wins against teams more well funded than them.

Look at Kevin Besecker...He is a racer...that maybe ran out of funds...did he cry about it...NO....now he is a fine crewcheif...that has a good track record/niche in racing.

Midgetmaniac..you may have a point..I just ask that maybe you start another thread aside from a thread that congratulates these young drivers.

Nothing personal.....Out

You gotta deal:6: