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Originally Posted by Kirk Spridgeon:

I think it's called the good samaritan rule. When people are spreading false rumors about you that could cost you business and hurt you financially (or any other way, really), should people just ignore it and thus agree with it?

Who is spreading false rumors about you? You are not USAC. Let USAC defend USAC.

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And on the same chord...do I ever ask the opinion of someone who doesn't ever go to any races? No. But somehow, you always end up commenting anyway.

You are so right. I have a life and responsibilities (which you obviously don't) so yeah I have no idea about racing since I don't make every race of every day of the year. I comment because (and this is a news flash and will shock the crap out of you) THIS IS AN INTERNET MESSEGE BOARD not a congressional hearing or court case. Opions are like a-holes everyone has one. And on the same chord, your's stinks if for some reason you didn't know that yourself let me be the first to tell you.

If you want to get into a sh*t slinging contest with me bring it. I am sore, tired and very short tempered right now and am not affraid to put you in your place.

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Originally Posted by Vukie:
Are the World of Outlaws in financial trouble?

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=WRGP.PK

http://www.businesswire.com/portal/s...34&newsLang=en

I think they've been hurting financially for quite some time now. Shares have been valued a one or two cents each for several months. I think they're going private to avoid tany more public embarassment and humiliation of the WRGI stock tanking. Time will tell. Put on a happy face WoO.:)

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All this talk about slinging s!#t reminded me about a game that goes along quite well with just that.

Super Monkey Poop Fight the game

Thought I would lighten it up some :5: :5: :5:

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Thanks for the post, Snead. That's the best thing we've had on here in quite a while!

It's become painfully obvious that I need to stop posting here. I'll quit wasting time here and spend more time on work, maybe!
This place has been such a cool thing, for many years, and I know because I was here from the earliest of days.
If anybody needs anything from me, my cell number is 419-203-7047. See everybody this weekend at Bloomington, Haubstadt, and Beaver Dam...along with a bunch of good races down the road!

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Originally Posted by Kirk Spridgeon:
Thanks for the post, Snead. That's the best thing we've had on here in quite a while!

It's become painfully obvious that I need to stop posting here. I'll quit wasting time here and spend more time on work, maybe!
This place has been such a cool thing, for many years, and I know because I was here from the earliest of days.
If anybody needs anything from me, my cell number is 419-203-7047. See everybody this weekend at Bloomington, Haubstadt, and Beaver Dam...along with a bunch of good races down the road!

Come on Spridge, don't stop posting. Alot of us "out-of-stater's" look forward to your informative post. Whether you know it or not, your post make some of us feel like we're in the loop, even though we're 500+ miles away. RECONSIDER PLEASE....:32:

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i agree with the pine. dont let them get under your skin.rise above, you provide some very usefull information, rise above man!!!

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I agree with Pine don't stop posting Spridge. I think its cool the passion you have for the sport and I may not agree with you 100 percent I believe this forum takes a step back if you stop posting. The last thing this forum needs is more people posting information such as "I heard last night at the track from a lady who bought a rabbit off of Tony Stewarts dad's best freind in preschool that Eldora is going to be a paved track next year." Also Spridge thanks for the race update's via twitter.

Gotta go now heading to my appointment with Acorn for some business advice
Later
Cale Seitz

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Originally Posted by Kirk Spridgeon:
Thanks for the post, Snead. That's the best thing we've had on here in quite a while!

It's become painfully obvious that I need to stop posting here. I'll quit wasting time here and spend more time on work, maybe!
This place has been such a cool thing, for many years, and I know because I was here from the earliest of days.
If anybody needs anything from me, my cell number is 419-203-7047. See everybody this weekend at Bloomington, Haubstadt, and Beaver Dam...along with a bunch of good races down the road!

I don't care if you stop posting her or not. This constant WAAAAAAAAAAA WAAAAAAAAA someone is picking on my beloved USAC WAAAAAAAAAA WAAAAAAAAAA is total BS and getting really old.

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Originally Posted by dirtywhiteboy:
I don't care if you stop posting her or not. This constant WAAAAAAAAAAA WAAAAAAAAA someone is picking on my beloved USAC WAAAAAAAAAA WAAAAAAAAAA is total BS and getting really old.

Really not any older or any more BS then the constant picking on USAC ....

Tim Clauson

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Originally Posted by dirtywhiteboy:
I don't care if you stop posting her or not. This constant WAAAAAAAAAAA WAAAAAAAAA someone is picking on my beloved USAC WAAAAAAAAAA WAAAAAAAAAA is total BS and getting really old.

Spridge, you and I used to not get along and I really don't know what you think of me now. I do enjoy reading your thoughts from time and can certainly share a beer with ya.

Don't let the weasels get you down.
Chuck

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Originally Posted by Tim Clauson:
Really not any older or any more BS then the constant picking on USAC ....

Tim Clauson

Totally agree, When USAC screws up, They deserve bad feedback, Wheres all the possitive feedback from the over 15 USAC shows I've seen this year?

Oh I forgot, I came back from the Terre/Kamp Sprint week races to read seven pages of Dirtywhiteboy type post on how bad it sucked, how dusty they were ect.

I myself found them AWESOME to the hilt!
Chuck, Who'll not mention all the critizism LBurg and Usac took for the Dick Gaines Classic. (Which I also found to be awesome)

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Thanks chuck --- i happen to be one of those weasles you speak of --- lol

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Originally Posted by Charles Nungester:
Spridge, you and I used to not get along and I really don't know what you think of me now. I do enjoy reading your thoughts from time and can certainly share a beer with ya.

Don't let the weasels get you down.
Chuck

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Totally agree, When USAC screws up, They deserve bad feedback, Wheres all the possitive feedback from the over 15 USAC shows I've seen this year?

Oh I forgot, I came back from the Terre/Kamp Sprint week races to read seven pages of Dirtywhiteboy type post on how bad it sucked, how dusty they were ect.

I myself found them AWESOME to the hilt!
Chuck, Who'll not mention all the critizism LBurg and Usac took for the Dick Gaines Classic. (Which I also found to be awesome)

Well, how many times on here has it been posted and posted and posted and POSTED again that USAC is the biggest and best there is? The biggest target gets the most hits. If you can't stand that, then maybe just maybe people at USAC would listen every once in awhile to their fans and the people who are members on ways to improve the health of racing.

Instead, anytime anything is debated on here it boils down to an absolute pissing match between those who will support whatever USAC throws at them and those who see things from a vastly different perspective and questions what is handed to them.

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Originally Posted by dirtywhiteboy:
Well, how many times on here has it been posted and posted and posted and POSTED again that USAC is the biggest and best there is? The biggest target gets the most hits. If you can't stand that, then maybe just maybe people at USAC would listen every once in awhile to their fans and the people who are members on ways to improve the health of racing.

Instead, anytime anything is debated on here it boils down to an absolute pissing match between those who will support whatever USAC throws at them and those who see things from a vastly different perspective and questions what is handed to them.

All I can say is vote with your $$ and then STHU because you have no idea other than speculation on what you've missed.

All Im saying, If it was always as bad as some on here say, Would anybody go anytime?
Chuck, been bitten several times by USAC at shows that could have been run ect. (Some of those were the promotor and not USAC) But by far the racings been above and among the best in the NW buisness. I've seen more MSCS mess ups in the limited shows I've made. Judgement calls ect than the total the dozens of USAC shows I've made in the last 30 years

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Originally Posted by Charles Nungester:
All I can say is vote with your $$ and then STHU because you have no idea other than speculation on what you've missed.

All Im saying, If it was always as bad as some on here say, Would anybody go anytime?
Chuck, been bitten several times by USAC at shows that could have been run ect. (Some of those were the promotor and not USAC) But by far the racings been above and among the best in the NW buisness. I've seen more MSCS mess ups in the limited shows I've made. Judgement calls ect than the total the dozens of USAC shows I've made in the last 30 years

I have made alot of POWRI/Gateway Racing races, UMARA shows, MSCS shows, and weekly racing shows. Never and I mean NEVER have I seen the bonehead mistakes made the collective group I mentioned above compared to USAC. I'd list the mistakes USAC has made but hell, I don;t have the rest of my life to waste on the internet proving my point. Fact is USAC is the one everyone looks to and when that many eyes are watching, mistakes will be seen and talked about.

As far as STHU, thank you for such a great piece of advice. I learn by following others so could you set the example?

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Originally Posted by dirtywhiteboy:
I have made alot of POWRI/Gateway Racing races, UMARA shows, MSCS shows, and weekly racing shows. Never and I mean NEVER have I seen the bonehead mistakes made the collective group I mentioned above compared to USAC. I'd list the mistakes USAC has made but hell, I don;t have the rest of my life to waste on the internet proving my point. Fact is USAC is the one everyone looks to and when that many eyes are watching, mistakes will be seen and talked about.

As far as STHU, thank you for such a great piece of advice. I learn by following others so could you set the example?

The STHU statement was commenting on stuff you didn't see and critizing it.
Never is the same as ASS/U/ME to me. To say never is a bold statment deliberatly blocking the truth.

You add to conversation at times. Everyone can apreciate that.

Theres a big difference between ranting and letting a few mistakes be the CALL FOR USAC DOOM Did not MSCS let cars run out of fuel earlier at very same track DO?

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They're paving Eldora??? Seriously???
The next thing you hear is that they're putting a dirt track across the street from the Speedway.
Oh. that's right. That's been tried already.
Jim Morrison

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Originally Posted by Charles Nungester:
Theres a big difference between ranting and letting a few mistakes be the CALL FOR USAC DOOM Did not MSCS let cars run out of fuel earlier at very same track DO?

Mistake? That's one thing USAC got right. No red flag to fuel.

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Originally Posted by Charles Nungester:
The STHU statement was commenting on stuff you didn't see and critizing it.
Never is the same as ASS/U/ME to me. To say never is a bold statment deliberatly blocking the truth.

So according to that I can only comment on what I see. Correct? Nothing I read in a magazine, the newspaper, or on a messege board?

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You add to conversation at times. Everyone can apreciate that.

I add to the conversation all the time. I add a view point from someone who isn't a kool-aid drinking member of the Jonesian society know as Kevin Miller's USAC. I look at everything objectively and form an opinion that way. I simply don;t take what someone is trying to pass off as gospel and believe it.

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Theres a big difference between ranting and letting a few mistakes be the CALL FOR USAC DOOM Did not MSCS let cars run out of fuel earlier at very same track DO?

PLease explain to me how that is the fault of MSCS? Are car owners/drivers responsible for that?

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Wow...what an entertaining thread!

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Originally Posted by dirtywhiteboy:
I have made alot of POWRI/Gateway Racing races, UMARA shows, MSCS shows, and weekly racing shows. Never and I mean NEVER have I seen the bonehead mistakes made the collective group I mentioned above compared to USAC. I'd list the mistakes USAC has made but hell, I don;t have the rest of my life to waste on the internet proving my point. Fact is USAC is the one everyone looks to and when that many eyes are watching, mistakes will be seen and talked about.

As far as STHU, thank you for such a great piece of advice. I learn by following others so could you set the example?

I believe that USAC needs work, A LOT OF WORK, but I have seen many bone headed moves by other groups and tracks in general. No one calls them out because nobody holds them to the standards that USAC is held to.

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In response to what the National Midget Driver of the Year championship has paid in the previous years. For the 2007 season the cash point fund was a little over $12,000 cash with Jerry Coons winning $2,000 cash. The top ten drivers and car owners all recieved point fund checks. Last year the point fund was around $10,000 cash with Tracy Hines also winning $2,000 cash for the title, again the top ten drivers and owners all recieved point checks, along with the top five recieving trophies. This combined with NMDOTY race Nights in 2008 we paid out over $13,000. This year the point fund will be much less due to the fact that our 2008 title sponsors Chevrolet & Ford were unable to continue their support due to the sagging ecomony of the auto industry. Hope this clears up any questions.

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Originally Posted by LEADERS EDGE:
I believe that USAC needs work, A LOT OF WORK, but I have seen many bone headed moves by other groups and tracks in general. No one calls them out because nobody holds them to the standards that USAC is held to.

Exactly my point. I by no means am saying the other groups are perfect. USAC is the "big dog" and under scrutiny at all times.

If you want I can list other groups screwups. I have many in my memory that I and would be glad to post.

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Knoke--
I don't know where that cartoon came from. I don't know exactly how you processed it such that it shows up not as a link, but as the actual cartoon form it is in, but That absolutely forever RETIRES THE AWARD for the greatest post ever in the history of Indiana Open Wheel, and I say that with no fear of contradiction despite getting on this site approximately once-a-week on average.
That is beyond gold. It is diamond-encrusted platinum with a carbon fibre base and plutonium liquid core. I haven't seen it's match and I never expect I will.
You are first ballot hall of fame for that.
:9::8::32:

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Originally Posted by Jerry Shaw:
...They're just stuck in the past a bit and a little out of touch with the rest of the sport and with what race fans want. With some modifications, they could easily shift the sands back the other way.

Jerry

Well said Jerry, however, all the positive thinking, prayers, and good intensions cannot overcome what leadership is not providing. For change to incur and progress to become, leadership must prevail. I know there is always potential; the sport has so many great aspects in favor, history being a main factor! You do not need change for change sake, you need rules enforced, deadlines and agendas set and maintained … not much to change it is more the enactment of maintaining structure, organization, and definitely consistency. It is all about the details and organization within the organization. The little things can break or make the bigger picture. Therefore, you are correct it is not far off base, with a bit of organizational leadership it can truly regain the respect it so well deserves and preserve the future with quality and surety.

And these comments apply to any group or organization that is struggling ... usually it is fixable when leadership exerts positive energy, sets good examples, and is willing to tackle the obvious and often not so easy. When you expect others to perform as you do then your example better be on target, if not, then the obvious is to enact the concept of "Change the man or Change the Man!"