Re: Kevin Swindel
 

Originally Posted by tailtank:
What you can't say DD around here if it might be negative? Oh brother.:doh:

Is anyone old enough to remember when DD first started?

I'm old enough to remember when Eddie Sachs drove for Gus Hoffman.:D

Re: Kevin Swindel
 

Originally Posted by Glad Brad:
Dave Darland ran over Ricky Stenhouse in Memphis during the USAC v. Sprint Bandit event in May of 2004.

As I recall this is the race that Ricky Stenhouse just about got banned from USAC because of his actions during the infamous 30 minute caution flag. :thumbsdown:

Correct me but wasn't he the one that wouldn't fall in line where he was beign told to go? And they finally red flagged the deal to get him in his spot? :headbang:

Re: Kevin Swindel
 

Originally Posted by keving:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFCh4ClyQTA

Obviously his Attitude and Sportsmanship started way before Sprint car racing..!

Re: Kevin Swindel
 

Originally Posted by tailtank:
What you can't say DD around here if it might be negative? Oh brother.:doh:

and his last name is Swindell so his daddy haters hate him as well.:loser:

And his daddy lovers defend him as well:loser:. FIXED

Re: Kevin Swindel
 

Pine i may not agree with his (Sammy) actions outside the racecar but you have to admit he is one of the best IN the car.

As far as the 2004 USAC show Ricky got robbed because he showed those USAC guys the kid was good and not afraid. He eventually was able to prove it with the help of TSR.:respect:

Re: Kevin Swindel
 

WBR you speck the truth. Now we have to go back and reload.

Katie I think I love you.

Re: Kevin Swindel
 

Originally Posted by E.P.:
As I recall this is the race that Ricky Stenhouse just about got banned from USAC because of his actions during the infamous 30 minute caution flag. :thumbsdown:

Correct me but wasn't he the one that wouldn't fall in line where he was beign told to go? And they finally red flagged the deal to get him in his spot? :headbang:

Well, there was a ton of confusion on the line-up of the restart. I watched as Sammy Swindell "lost" a couple of spots in the line up after the caution. I did not have my eye on Ricky when he crossed the line. So, I can't say if he was in the wrong or not.

I did see DD plow him on the restart. Using your logic, Ricky deserved what he got because he was not lined up properly at the drop of the :greenflag:? If that is the case, who is responsible for lining up the cars? I believe the USAC officials must first deem the line-up as "good" before the drop of the :greenflag:. Would you agree or am I "out of line" too?

Should I be looking over my shoulder for DD?

Re: Kevin Swindel
 

Originally Posted by E.P.:
As I recall this is the race that Ricky Stenhouse just about got banned from USAC because of his actions during the infamous 30 minute caution flag. :thumbsdown:

Anyone remember who he ran over??

Re: Kevin Swindel
 

:headbang:

Re: Kevin Swindel
 

Originally Posted by illinisprintfan:
I think Kevin has talent, but no sense to go with it. If this was 20 or 30 years ago, the racers Kevin run over would "fix" the problem themselves.:icon_smile_blackeye Now that sort of thing is frowned on.

That is why they still allow fighting in the NHL :applaud:

Re: Kevin Swindel
 

Originally Posted by keving:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFCh4ClyQTA

2003.....Yep, he lost the battle, but won the war...

2003
Won 3 of 4 Divisions at National Indoor Karting Championship. Over 1,000 entries with victories in Jr Lite, Jr Champ Lite, and Jr Champ Heavy.

Won WKA National in Jasper, FL pavement

Re: Kevin Swindel
 

[QUOTE=tailtank;21194]What you can't say DD around here if it might be negative? Oh brother.:doh:

So beside the fact that he is one of best sprint car drivers ever and has a drop dead beautiful wife and a kid who' knows all the hottest girls in the stands...I still say leave him out of this.

Re: Kevin Swindel
 

Only using him for comparison, nothing more. I agree he is one of the best to ever strap in a USAC division car.

Re: Kevin Swindel
 

Ok :)

Re: Kevin Swindel
 

Originally Posted by Hawker:
2003.....Yep, he lost the battle, but won the war...

2003
Won 3 of 4 Divisions at National Indoor Karting Championship. Over 1,000 entries with victories in Jr Lite, Jr Champ Lite, and Jr Champ Heavy.

Won WKA National in Jasper, FL pavement – Jr Lite Division

Won WKA National in Wampum, PA road course pavement – Jr Champ Lite & Jr Champ Heavy

Finished 2nd in World Karting Association point championship while not competing in all point events.

Hawker, with all due respect. What does that have to do with Kevin being OUT OF CONTROL in a SPRINT CAR?????????

Re: Kevin Swindel
 

Originally Posted by Pine:
Hawker, with all due respect. What does that have to do with Kevin being OUT OF CONTROL in a SPRINT CAR?????????

You obviously didn't watch the video...

Take a look at it, read the caption, then get back to me..............


Now, as far as being "Out of control in a sprint car" goes; is he the only USAC driver you've catagorized as "out of control"? Or is he the only one?

Re: Kevin Swindel
 

Originally Posted by Hawker:
You obviously didn't watch the video...

Take a look at it, read the caption, then get back to me..............


Now, as far as being "Out of control in a sprint car" goes; is he the only USAC driver you've catagorized as "out of control"? Or is he the only one?

Your rightI didn't watch the video....

Out of Control<<< The difference is, I'm not trying to justify anyone else's driving style with statistic's they may have put up when they drove BOMBERS. As I said in another thread a month ago. You Swindell fans defended Sammy for Thirty years, now you can reach retirement age defending his son...Outlaw fans........

Re: Kevin Swindel
 

Originally Posted by Hawker:
Now, as far as being "Out of control in a sprint car" goes; is he the only USAC driver you've catagorized as "out of control"? Or is he the only one?

Yeah, he's the only one out of control that's a dick about it.

Re: Kevin Swindel
 

Can't you just let it go?

Re: Kevin Swindel
 

Originally Posted by Pine:
Your rightI didn't watch the video....

Out of Control<<< The difference is, I'm not trying to justify anyone else's driving style with statistic's they may have put up when they drove BOMBERS. As I said in another thread a month ago. You Swindell fans defended Sammy for Thirty years, now you can reach retirement age defending his son...Outlaw fans........

One of the Swindell bashers posted a video of the "bombers" to try to prove some kind of point (I haven't figured that oune out yet) and I responded appropriately. Comparing apples to apples...

There is nothing to defend Sammy about. He is one of the greatest drivers to ever buckle in, winged or nonwing. Sorry, but that is a fact. Matter of fact, I got to see him go to Knoxville in one of Jeff Walker's rides a few years ago, after being out of a nonwing sprint for longer than most of the current drivers there had even been alive and he TOOK THEM TO SCHOOL. Sorry about their luck... I was also there for all four of his Chili Bowl victories, you should have seen that, only getting in a midget once a year and once again, taking the best of the best nonwing drivers to school. Nothing to defend there, that is pure talent bud.

Kevin was "cut from the same cloth". Has he been out of control at times? Sure, but I have seen some veterans pull some pretty stupid moves too, some more than just a couple of times. So quit hating the kid because he has driven a winged car.

BTW, I've been watching sprints for over 40 years. If I were to keep a tally, nonwings would outnumber wings by 2 to 1.

Re: Kevin Swindel
 

i dont really have a bone in this but how many times did you see kevin race a nonwing sprint car this year hawker?? just curious.

Re: Kevin Swindel
 

Originally Posted by Pat O'Connor Fan:
Hawker, I thought that you would have realized by now that all of your arguing on IOW is not going to convince those of us who saw Kevin many times this past season. We saw a young man, described as a punk by some on IOW, who too often seemed to be wearing a helmet that was so tight it squeezed his brain and made him make some bad decisions while racing. I even have a couple photos of Owen Snyder discussing such an event with Kevin after one of Kevin's brain farts, at Macon. Can't you just let it go?

There's not a driver out there that has not made multiple bone headed moves in throughout their career. That being said, I am a fan of his father (LONG before he ever put a wing on) and now the kid too. That's the way it is. If he screwed up, he screwed up. That's no reason for 3 pages of driver bashing. So no, I won't "just let it go" as long as the bashing and name calling continues. Pretty childish in my book.

In the over 40 years I've been going to races, I have NEVER bashed a driver. I won't fall into the armchair driver catagory...

Re: Kevin Swindel
 

Originally Posted by jjones776:
i dont really have a bone in this but how many times did you see kevin race a nonwing sprint car this year hawker?? just curious.

3

Am I qualified to hold an opinion now?

Re: Kevin Swindel
 

Originally Posted by Hawker:
3

Am I qualified to hold an opinion now?

im not the one who judges who is allowed to have an opinion or not. i just wondered how many times you watched him race this year. i probably watched him race 12-15 times, and i have my own opinions of his driving style i just have not discussed it here.

Re: Kevin Swindel
 

Originally Posted by jjones776:
im not the one who judges who is allowed to have an opinion or not. i just wondered how many times you watched him race this year. i probably watched him race 12-15 times, and i have my own opinions of his driving style i just have not discussed it here.

You last sentence speaks volumes and THAT is what I respect. I am not defending his actions, I just disagree with the public lynching he is recieving, it just reeks of no class. I compare it to the drunks in the stands shouting obscenities and flying the bird at drivers on the track. I would hope to think that true fans are above that.

Re: Kevin Swindel
 

WAIT WAIT WAIT.... still no one answered the main question. Did he crash anyone!!!! For4... this is riveting...but still no hard core results to the question!!!:rolling:

Re: Kevin Swindel
 

Originally Posted by Eagle14:
WAIT WAIT WAIT.... still no one answered the main question. Did he crash anyone!!!! For4... this is riveting...but still no hard core results to the question!!!:rolling:

Did he crash anybody???..... Let me sleep a little bit and I will tell you what I saw... riveting... I use self taping metal screws :rolling::rolling:

Re: Kevin Swindel
 

Originally Posted by Eagle14:
Did he crash anyone?!

A responce is not needed by me to your question. Read all the posts and you will see...... With all due respect :)

Re: Kevin Swindel
 

Originally Posted by FOR4:
A responce is not needed by me to your question. Read all the posts and you will see...... With all due respect :)

:emote20::rolling: I must say.....this has been a interesting thread with great debate...but you are right you do not owe me a response.... and if this thread did not brighten everyones day at some point... your not living!!

Re: Kevin Swindel
 

Originally Posted by Eagle14:
:emote20::rolling: I must say.....this has been a interesting thread with great debate...but you are right you do not owe me a response.... and if this thread did not brighten everyones day at some point... your not living!!

Thanks Eagle14 for giving me some runnig room. If we are nearing the end of this thread I would like to say that if uncle Jeff was team manager for his car... this whole thing would not be a issue.

Re: Kevin Swindel
 

Originally Posted by Glad Brad:
If that is the case, who is responsible for lining up the cars? I believe the USAC officials must first deem the line-up as "good" before the drop of the :greenflag:. Would you agree or am I "out of line" too?

Absolutely the scoring was amuck from the word go that night. :thumbsdown: I can remember thinking to myself that night I was glad the Focus portion of the event (which was why I was in attendance) went without any glitches :thumb: because the Sprint portion or at least the scoring end of it was very very poor to say the least.

Poor Bill Carey had em lined up a mile long wanting a piece of his a## that night.

Re: Kevin Swindel
 

Originally Posted by jjones776:
i dont really have a bone in this but how many times did you see kevin race a nonwing sprint car this year hawker?? just curious.

Looks like you now have a bone in this...:rolling:

Re: Kevin Swindel
 

QUOTE BY HAWKER..."One of the Swindell bashers posted a video of the "bombers" to try to prove some kind of point (I haven't figured that one out yet) and I responded appropriately. Comparing apples to apples..."

Now this hole thing is getting out of control...Kevin does not deserve this...there is only one bomber that would run good for him...right shortbus?:)

Re: Kevin Swindel
 

Originally Posted by Hawker:
I compare it to the drunks in the stands shouting obscenities and flying the bird at drivers on the track.

Please leave my mother out of this!

:emote20:

Re: Kevin Swindel
 

Originally Posted by Hawker:
One of the Swindell bashers posted a video of the "bombers" to try to prove some kind of point (I haven't figured that oune out yet) and I responded appropriately. Comparing apples to apples...

There is nothing to defend Sammy about. He is one of the greatest drivers to ever buckle in, winged or nonwing. Sorry, but that is a fact. Matter of fact, I got to see him go to Knoxville in one of Jeff Walker's rides a few years ago, after being out of a nonwing sprint for longer than most of the current drivers there had even been alive and he TOOK THEM TO SCHOOL. Sorry about their luck... I was also there for all four of his Chili Bowl victories, you should have seen that, only getting in a midget once a year and once again, taking the best of the best nonwing drivers to school. Nothing to defend there, that is pure talent bud.

Kevin was "cut from the same cloth". Has he been out of control at times? Sure, but I have seen some veterans pull some pretty stupid moves too, some more than just a couple of times. So quit hating the kid because he has driven a winged car.

BTW, I've been watching sprints for over 40 years. If I were to keep a tally, nonwings would outnumber wings by 2 to 1.

Quote: "There is nothing to defend Sammy about. He is one of the greatest drivers to ever buckle in, winged or nonwing. Sorry, but that is a fact. Matter of fact, I got to see him go to Knoxville in one of Jeff Walker's rides a few years ago, after being out of a nonwing sprint for longer than most of the current drivers there had even been alive and he TOOK THEM TO SCHOOL. Sorry about their luck... I was also there for all four of his Chili Bowl victories, you should have seen that, only getting in a midget once a year and once again, taking the best of the best nonwing drivers to school. Nothing to defend there, that is pure talent bud."

Now that's the ticket and a GREAT post!

GO SAMMY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Re: Kevin Swindel
 

Originally Posted by samtheone:
you should have seen that, only getting in a midget once a year and once again, taking the best of the best nonwing drivers to school.

I gather that Andy Martin would doubt that the above statement applies to Sammy's 2007 Chili Bowl performance :rolling::kookoo2::thumbsdown:

Re: Kevin Swindel
 

I was also there for all four of his Chili Bowl victories, you should have seen that, only getting in a midget once a year and once again, taking OUT the best of the best nonwing drivers. Nothing to defend there, that is NO talent bud."

FIXED

Re: Kevin Swindel
 

Matter of fact, I got to see him (Sammy S) go to Knoxville in one of Jeff Walker's rides a few years ago, after being out of a nonwing sprint for longer than most of the current drivers there had even been alive and he TOOK THEM TO SCHOOL.

I was there too and it was not much of a race. Sammy started from the front and won a hard, slick, slow, little passing piss poor sprint car show. I don't think his students learned a whole lot.:thumbsdown:

Re: Kevin Swindel
 

Here is my take, I actually was a casual fan of Kevin's his aggressive style was exciting to me, I heard about how he was on top of another car and stayed in the gas and all that. I wasn't there I didn't see so I can't be sure what happened, BUT I was at what I think was the MSCS race (Ballou Won) at L'burg.

Sitting there happily in my Mopar shirt watching the Kahne cars running decent and I was content.

Until the end of the race when they interview this little "punk" and he badmouths, what was a good run by Ballou on the front stretch in front of all in attendance and proceeds to make himself and the team look like a bunch of cry baby losers. Which was just flat out embarrassing, and if he wasn't he should have been. I threw my new mopar shirt in the trash on the way out and just couldn't believe what I saw and heard. PATHETIC!

I can't believe anyone would stand there that night and say, "Way to go!, I'm glad I'm a Kevin Swindell fan"

All the talent in the world means absolutely nothing, when he climbs out and speaks like a horses a**

Re: Kevin Swindel
 

Originally Posted by OpenwheelRob:
Here is my take, I actually was a casual fan of Kevin's his aggressive style was exciting to me, I heard about how he was on top of another car and stayed in the gas and all that. I wasn't there I didn't see so I can't be sure what happened, BUT I was at what I think was the MSCS race (Ballou Won) at L'burg.

Sitting there happily in my Mopar shirt watching the Kahne cars running decent and I was content.

Until the end of the race when they interview this little "punk" and he badmouths, what was a good run by Ballou on the front stretch in front of all in attendance and proceeds to make himself and the team look like a bunch of cry baby losers. Which was just flat out embarrassing, and if he wasn't he should have been. I threw my new mopar shirt in the trash on the way out and just couldn't believe what I saw and heard. PATHETIC!

I can't believe anyone would stand there that night and say, "Way to go!, I'm glad I'm a Kevin Swindell fan"

All the talent in the world means absolutely nothing, when he climbs out and speaks like a horses a**

What he said :applaud: