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Long time reader, first time poster......except for an ad about selling a motor. I've always hesitated to reply to a post here because honestly, some of you guys scare me more then Winchester or Salem ever did! But this issue is dear to my heart. I am a long time HOSS driver/car owner. And I am a very low buck guy. But with all due respect to Duke, the answer is not having guys drive the same car on dirt and pavement. The problem is not a shortage of cars. There are 20-25 cars running with HOSS and another 20-25 running with AVSS. The cars are there. And I personally would love to run some USAC races to get more non-winged pavement expierence. But the shear cost of running USAC is out of control. Not the price of the cars, but the race to race expense. HOSS and AVSS both run very similar tire rules. But USAC (and yes, I know they came first) uses different compound of tires on all four corners. And add to that, the big dogs bolt on new tires every time they hit the track. To me, the MSA (supermodified group out of Ohio) has the best tire rule. They specify a compound and you can only buy two tires a night. They don't care what two you buy, but you can only buy two. In fact this is a rule I wish HOSS and AVSS would adopt also.

Also, and I don't want to start a safety debate here, but with USAC, you have to run a HANS device. I'm not debating their effectiveness, but I doubt if there is five guys total between HOSS and AVSS that have one. Again, MSA mandates them, but they give you a three or five race (I'm not sure which) grace period to buy one. That allows you to decide if you want to run with them all the time before investing in a HANS.

I would jump at a chance to run more non-winged, I'm just not going to mortgage my house to do it. Maybe someone would like to have some non-sanctioned non-winged races..........are you listening Tony Barhorst?

Tom Paterson
Sprint car #11

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Run a compund thats very hard and durable. Stamp all four tires after cars qualify. Have to run that set the rest of the event. If a tire has to be changed due to damage that car will have to start tail. When namars included 600's to their roster in 2003 this is how it was done. I thought it was a great idea. This could be done for dirt races as well.

Kerry Kinser

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Originally Posted by 1121:
long time reader, first time poster......except for an ad about selling a motor. I've always hesitated to reply to a post here because honestly, some of you guys scare me more then winchester or salem ever did! But this issue is dear to my heart. I am a long time hoss driver/car owner. And i am a very low buck guy. But with all due respect to duke, the answer is not having guys drive the same car on dirt and pavement. The problem is not a shortage of cars. There are 20-25 cars running with hoss and another 20-25 running with avss. The cars are there. And i personally would love to run some usac races to get more non-winged pavement expierence. But the shear cost of running usac is out of control. Not the price of the cars, but the race to race expense. Hoss and avss both run very similar tire rules. But usac (and yes, i know they came first) uses different compound of tires on all four corners. And add to that, the big dogs bolt on new tires every time they hit the track. To me, the msa (supermodified group out of ohio) has the best tire rule. They specify a compound and you can only buy two tires a night. They don't care what two you buy, but you can only buy two. In fact this is a rule i wish hoss and avss would adopt also.

Also, and i don't want to start a safety debate here, but with usac, you have to run a hans device. I'm not debating their effectiveness, but i doubt if there is five guys total between hoss and avss that have one. Again, msa mandates them, but they give you a three or five race (i'm not sure which) grace period to buy one. That allows you to decide if you want to run with them all the time before investing in a hans.

I would jump at a chance to run more non-winged, i'm just not going to mortgage my house to do it. Maybe someone would like to have some non-sanctioned non-winged races..........are you listening tony barhorst?

Tom paterson
sprint car #11

most of those cars will not race without a wing! Bout 95% and i raced for 25 years non wing same car on dirt and pavement and we had plenty of cars and races!!!!!!!!!!!!! Do you run dirt with your winged car?:15::14:

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[QUOTE=Pat O'Connor Fan;112841]Huh ?? Not in USAC ![COLOR="Black"]

[SIZE=1]------Iam, not talking USAC or USUCK this was in AAA , kid . I seen indy drivers run the midgets and sprints, dirt and paved tracks , the best dam racing ever, offys chevys fords studabackers, ext !!! Now they whant to make a champ car look like a pregnant rear engine car , because they cant run the big tracks what are these guys nuts , I, seen Foyt run his dirt car at Milwaukee and blow the crap off the piss ant rear engine cars!!! I, will say it over USAC needs to go. Go back to run what ya brung , as long as its safe any engine any tire the only rules should be for safty Oh ya, get ride of these assembly line cars, let new stuff have a chance to come about .:18:

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Originally Posted by kkinser99:
run a compund thats very hard and durable. Stamp all four tires after cars qualify. Have to run that set the rest of the event. If a tire has to be changed due to damage that car will have to start tail. When namars included 600's to their roster in 2003 this is how it was done. I thought it was a great idea. This could be done for dirt races as well.

Kerry kinser

a tire rule that makes it cost less to race is good!

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Originally Posted by sc96:
One thing to look at is Kevin Miller has always said he is selling a product well if the product is not selling dump it. This is very hard to swallow for the people who live and breath sprint car racing but on the other hand 12 cars showing up for a race is very sad for sprint cars. I can see the reason Kevin is dropping the pavement sprint cars its because the paying public is not buying the show and when 12-15 cars show up why would you go pay to watch. The Silver Crown cars are in the same boat and unless USAC comes up with a long term plan you are going to see a steady decline in our sport. All the top divisions are loosing car owners faster than new ones are comming on.

So as each division declines, the "business plan" is to drop it??? Gee things aren't going real well at work right now so I think I'll quit. My marriage is struggling a bit so we'll get a divorce. Our Country has some real problems so let's move to Mozambique. Some business plan. Some business man. But hey, they've got a really cool hip website.:15:

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Originally Posted by pj wright:
so as each division declines, the "business plan" is to drop it??? Gee things aren't going real well at work right now so i think i'll quit. My marriage is struggling a bit so we'll get a divorce. Our country has some real problems so let's move to mozambique. Some business plan. Some business man. But hey, they've got a really cool hip website.:15:

as i said they are lost!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No real leadership!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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We all know that it's changed.

Remember when you got a Ronnie Ward or a King car with your buddies. Somebody knew how to build a chevy and you and your friends had some mechanic's to bolt, paint or bring the beer.

One car, open wheel trailer, van, pickup, station wagon and a tool box, cooler and ciggs.
Remember those days? You earned your way into the feature, no LCQ's or Prov's. End of the day you set on the trailer and car drinking beer with everybody talking about the days race. Maybe even herk and Prince would be looking for a beer from Watson. Remember those days?

You were proud to be a USAC Racer. You built your **** and raced it.

Think about Terre Haute in the day time without lights, New Bremen under the tree and Frank Dickie, great days. Watch any Dick Wallen and look at the crowds everywhere.

Today you order a car from a builder go to Bernie & Mark's WalMart of race parts and bolt it all together.
Callup a HorsePower shop and get a motor. Daddy pays somebody to work on his young kids car out of the semi rig. Yes there are a few who stilldo the down home with the family deal like the Fox Boys.


SO how does todays racing and tracks get turned around ????

Lots of ideas can only help.

But USAC, Hoss/avss, open, how do you organise it?


We can't complain about the racing we have. Most track have great local racing, all near Indy. Hey that's great.

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Duke,
I don't mean to argue, but if you look at the qualifying field for the little 500, probably over half were winged guys going topless. Don't say we won't do it. I own two cars and I would take them both to the right venue running non-winged. By the way though, to reinforce the idea of running a car on both dirt and pavement, my second car is a 1999 Stealth dirt car that Sam Davis drives for me (my car, his motor) and he does very well. But my point is, why obsolete a bunch of good cars to try to get dirt drivers to run pavement when there are pavement drivers willing to run.

Tom Paterson

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The problem that I see with USUC is that you and I do not have a voice. We can not complain about anything without being labeled a trouble maker. The "Good Ol Boys" club that runs it knows that if you don't like it you can leave. WELL WE HAVE LEFT!!! Now the number of people that have left has finally added up to a point that USAC has noticed. All of the official positons at USAC are appointed by the "Insiders". The club needs to have the top three positons in each series or region voted on by members of the same series or regions. That way if they want to keep their job they will listen.

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There are obviously no really quick or really easy fixes to the pavement deal, otherwise they would have been implemented by now.

I can't help but think though, that the simplest thing to do is to schedule more pavement races. Make it viable to own one of those damn things. I understand that costs are out of control, but those could be buffered a bit if USAC had a half-and-half schedule. Would I personally like that? Not really, I'm a dirt guy. But it sure would make more sense for the car owners out there. Run Anderson a bunch. Run Salem and Winchester more. Run IRP again, please. There are many, many asphalt tracks out there. To see the pavement go by the wayside would be a true shame. It wasn't that long ago that the highbanks were the ticket to Indy.

Just my opinion of a Band-Aid fix. Don't get me started on costs, daddy's money or a regional series that calls itself a national one.

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Originally Posted by PJ Wright:
So as each division declines, the "business plan" is to drop it??? Gee things aren't going real well at work right now so I think I'll quit. My marriage is struggling a bit so we'll get a divorce. Our Country has some real problems so let's move to Mozambique. Some business plan. Some business man. But hey, they've got a really cool hip website.:15:

That was my first thought when I started reading this. Don't try and change anything....just quit? Having to be good at dirt and pavement is what has always set USAC apart IMO. I'm a dirt guy first, but I like mixing the pavement in too. I'd sure hate to see that go away. There are many reasons the car count is down, but I haven't seen too many changes in the last few years to TRY and help it. I just don't see dropping it without trying some new things as a good move.

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When usac started out they had a better deal than aaa over the years there became to many rules and the wrong people became in power!!! Money talks and bull **** walks if you want racing to get better usac needs to go

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Originally Posted by spankytoo:
The problem that I see with USUC is that you and I do not have a voice. We can not complain about anything without being labeled a trouble maker. The "Good Ol Boys" club that runs it knows that if you don't like it you can leave. WELL WE HAVE LEFT!!! Now the number of people that have left has finally added up to a point that USAC has noticed. All of the official positons at USAC are appointed by the "Insiders". The club needs to have the top three positons in each series or region voted on by members of the same series or regions. That way if they want to keep their job they will listen.

This is just another example what is wrong in america today, the people running most of these companies could not find there azz from a hole in the ground even with a dot to dot map.

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Tire bill 1200.00 or more,entree fee+pit pass100.00 or more,travel expense?testing?pay driver 40%to 50% of
winnings. so the Huffmans ran 2nd at Kalamazoo,and that paid 2000.00 after paying the driver they still lost money.


tire bill,testing,and the weak payout is killing pavement racing,and USAC entree fees dont help.

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Originally Posted by d.o.:
we all know that it's changed.

Remember when you got a ronnie ward or a king car with your buddies. Somebody knew how to build a chevy and you and your friends had some mechanic's to bolt, paint or bring the beer.

One car, open wheel trailer, van, pickup, station wagon and a tool box, cooler and ciggs.
Remember those days? You earned your way into the feature, no lcq's or prov's. End of the day you set on the trailer and car drinking beer with everybody talking about the days race. Maybe even herk and prince would be looking for a beer from watson. Remember those days?

You were proud to be a usac racer. You built your **** and raced it.

Think about terre haute in the day time without lights, new bremen under the tree and frank dickie, great days. Watch any dick wallen and look at the crowds everywhere.

Today you order a car from a builder go to bernie & mark's walmart of race parts and bolt it all together.
Callup a horsepower shop and get a motor. Daddy pays somebody to work on his young kids car out of the semi rig. Yes there are a few who stilldo the down home with the family deal like the fox boys.


So how does todays racing and tracks get turned around ????

Lots of ideas can only help.

But usac, hoss/avss, open, how do you organise it?


We can't complain about the racing we have. Most track have great local racing, all near indy. Hey that's great.

also you had fun and a lot of help! Car builders like watson king wally stapp edmunds shores leffler ward mitchell osborn travis maxwell stanton allen cook j&j dowker and you race the same car on dirt and pavement!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:15::14:

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Tire Cost.$$$$ It will kill racing and the tire companies are not going to help.

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:5:

Originally Posted by metal bender:
when usac started out they had a better deal than aaa over the years there became to many rules and the wrong people became in power!!! Money talks and bull **** walks if you want racing to get better usac needs to go

you had duane carter sr. Running usac and it was going foward but tom binford was a banker and did not like the way he run it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Then you had business people run it down hill look at dick kings back ground in racing???????????? Then john caples?????????? Nice guy good talker!!!!! Now look at the leadership!:14::11::11;:10::15::5::5::29::18:

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Normally I like to step in and give you guys "the facts" prior to building speculation and running wild with your thoughts. This time, I wanted to get some of your thoughts out prior to speaking out, as I am truly interested in your opinions.

Is there a problem with the pavement side of our National Sprint Car series. Hell yes. The economics don't work for the teams, or promoters. Yes we need increased purses. Yes we need a grander slate of races. However, when the fans don't support the economics of the sport, then it's awfully difficult to make promoters and teams happy and have healthy car counts and prosperous track owners.

This is not a new problem. Talk to car owners. They're have not been happy with pavement sprint car economics for a while. The economy has taken things to a new level. And as far as USAC fee's...I doubt a $35 or $40 entry fee is keeping away a bunch of cars.

So, as a business leader, I ask a few questions. Play "what if" with some of our drivers and owners. Seek a direction for the future. That's what we do at USAC now...take time, analyze the situation, develop alternatives, discuss with industry leaders, and only then implement a plan we best feel supports a successful solution.

Such was the case with the difficult decision my team had coming on board in December 2007. What to do with the Silver Crown series, or more directly the "new car". We made a difficult decision to bring back the "traditional" car for pavement...perhaps a popular one for some here on IOW but not without it's own set of conflict (teams, tracks, etc). We now see car counts increasing and the discussion of races increasing for 2010.

So as we look to the future of USAC, we ask questions. We play "what if's". Hell, we talk about next generation midget engine platforms, green racing initiatives with our new government administration, linkage with Indy, and yes, pavement sprint cars. Seeing that we have a few of these races over the next two weeks, we have been kicking around thoughts while waiting out the rain during the last week or so.

So please do not take open discussion with drivers, owners, industry leaders, etc as "oh hell, guess what USUC is doing now!"

We will continue to brainstorm many ideas, some that are pretty wild. Let me start one...what do you guys think of wings? Now that is funny!

USAC is currently planning open Town Hall meetings with our teams and sponsors this summer to discuss many initiatives. I am confident that the response we get will help establish the direction we take forward.

As I have always stated here, please feel free to email me directly at Kevin@usacracing.com. I would love to hear more insight on the direction to make a successful USAC. I do have a few thoughts myself :)

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Originally Posted by wolmidget:
tire cost.$$$$ it will kill racing and the tire companies are not going to help.

yes one company giving money to usac to be there!!!!!!!!!! Diirt or pavement to many soft tires burning them up in time trials then one in the heat and one or two in the feature!!!!!!!!!!! :22:

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Originally Posted by kevin miller:
normally i like to step in and give you guys "the facts" prior to building speculation and running wild with your thoughts. This time, i wanted to get some of your thoughts out prior to speaking out, as i am truly interested in your opinions.

Is there a problem with the pavement side of our national sprint car series. Hell yes. The economics don't work for the teams, or promoters. Yes we need increased purses. Yes we need a grander slate of races. However, when the fans don't support the economics of the sport, then it's awfully difficult to make promoters and teams happy and have healthy car counts and prosperous track owners.

This is not a new problem. Talk to car owners. They're have not been happy with pavement sprint car economics for a while. The economy has taken things to a new level. And as far as usac fee's...i doubt a $35 or $40 entry fee is keeping away a bunch of cars.

So, as a business leader, i ask a few questions. Play "what if" with some of our drivers and owners. Seek a direction for the future. That's what we do at usac now...take time, analyze the situation, develop alternatives, discuss with industry leaders, and only then implement a plan we best feel supports a successful solution.

Such was the case with the difficult decision my team had coming on board in december 2007. What to do with the silver crown series, or more directly the "new car". We made a difficult decision to bring back the "traditional" car for pavement...perhaps a popular one for some here on iow but not without it's own set of conflict (teams, tracks, etc). We now see car counts increasing and the discussion of races increasing for 2010.

So as we look to the future of usac, we ask questions. We play "what if's". Hell, we talk about next generation midget engine platforms, green racing initiatives with our new government administration, linkage with indy, and yes, pavement sprint cars. Seeing that we have a few of these races over the next two weeks, we have been kicking around thoughts while waiting out the rain during the last week or so.

So please do not take open discussion with drivers, owners, industry leaders, etc as "oh hell, guess what usuc is doing now!"

we will continue to brainstorm many ideas, some that are pretty wild. Let me start one...what do you guys think of wings? Now that is funny!

Usac is currently planning open town hall meetings with our teams and sponsors this summer to discuss many initiatives. I am confident that the response we get will help establish the direction we take forward.

As i have always stated here, please feel free to email me directly at kevin@usacracing.com. I would love to hear more insight on the direction to make a successful usac. I do have a few thoughts myself :)

please read the first post!!!!!!!! Then tell us what you think?????????????:15::14:

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Originally Posted by wolmidget:
tire cost.$$$$ it will kill racing and the tire companies are not going to help.

dirt and pavement tires!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by fisher79:
there are obviously no really quick or really easy fixes to the pavement deal, otherwise they would have been implemented by now.

I can't help but think though, that the simplest thing to do is to schedule more pavement races. Make it viable to own one of those damn things. I understand that costs are out of control, but those could be buffered a bit if usac had a half-and-half schedule. Would i personally like that? Not really, i'm a dirt guy. But it sure would make more sense for the car owners out there. Run anderson a bunch. Run salem and winchester more. Run irp again, please. There are many, many asphalt tracks out there. To see the pavement go by the wayside would be a true shame. It wasn't that long ago that the highbanks were the ticket to indy.

Just my opinion of a band-aid fix. Don't get me started on costs, daddy's money or a regional series that calls itself a national one.

who would want to promote a race with 12 cars? No cars no people= loser!!!!!!!!

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How much does USAC charge a track for putting on an event?

IRP is not being used (ORP) and they used to host at least two Sprint races per year. Why don't they anymore?

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there is no way to fix this problem.usac is no longer the road to indy,they lost that years ago.the problem is usac is no longer the leader,but just a follower.if they were still the road to indy,302's and small wheels would still be around.once people in the sprint car world saw usac lose this, other sprint car organizations started.they all wanted a piece of the sprint car pie.these other organizations didn't have rules.no rules makes it easy.so big motors,big tires,light weight stuff.usac had someone else eating pie,and for usac to regain some pie they had to follow.

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Originally Posted by sp6967:
there is no way to fix this problem.usac is no longer the road to indy,they lost that years ago.the problem is usac is no longer the leader,but just a follower.if they were still the road to indy,302's and small wheels would still be around.once people in the sprint car world saw usac lose this, other sprint car organizations started.they all wanted a piece of the sprint car pie.these other organizations didn't have rules.no rules makes it easy.so big motors,big tires,light weight stuff.usac had someone else eating pie,and for usac to regain some pie they had to follow.

no leadership! No racers in the office! Just clueless what they need too kept there doors open next year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by hubie:
how much does usac charge a track for putting on an event?

Irp is not being used (orp) and they used to host at least two sprint races per year. Why don't they anymore?

bout $3000 for sanction and officals plus insurance! Plus bout $22000 purse for 12 -15 cars! No way! :10:

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duke, who would you put in charge of usac?

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Originally Posted by sp6967:
duke, who would you put in charge of usac?

poncho carter! The board rollie beale tom bigelow lee kuzman ron shavers gary stanton tom hunt and myself!

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Originally Posted by 1121:
Long time reader, first time poster......except for an ad about selling a motor. I've always hesitated to reply to a post here because honestly, some of you guys scare me more then Winchester or Salem ever did! But this issue is dear to my heart. I am a long time HOSS driver/car owner. And I am a very low buck guy. But with all due respect to Duke, the answer is not having guys drive the same car on dirt and pavement. The problem is not a shortage of cars. There are 20-25 cars running with HOSS and another 20-25 running with AVSS. The cars are there. And I personally would love to run some USAC races to get more non-winged pavement expierence. But the shear cost of running USAC is out of control. Not the price of the cars, but the race to race expense. HOSS and AVSS both run very similar tire rules. But USAC (and yes, I know they came first) uses different compound of tires on all four corners. And add to that, the big dogs bolt on new tires every time they hit the track. To me, the MSA (supermodified group out of Ohio) has the best tire rule. They specify a compound and you can only buy two tires a night. They don't care what two you buy, but you can only buy two. In fact this is a rule I wish HOSS and AVSS would adopt also.

Also, and I don't want to start a safety debate here, but with USAC, you have to run a HANS device. I'm not debating their effectiveness, but I doubt if there is five guys total between HOSS and AVSS that have one. Again, MSA mandates them, but they give you a three or five race (I'm not sure which) grace period to buy one. That allows you to decide if you want to run with them all the time before investing in a HANS.

I would jump at a chance to run more non-winged, I'm just not going to mortgage my house to do it. Maybe someone would like to have some non-sanctioned non-winged races..........are you listening Tony Barhorst?

Tom Paterson
Sprint car #11

Duke is correct..One car for pavement and dirt....Why did they get away from what worked in a GOLDEN ERA?

The leaders in charge at critical times did not listen to teams like Tom Paterson's opinion above...this is the other part of the equation. It really is not that complicated.

I have promoted pavement USAC races at Columbus Ohio with the midgets ( Bryan Clausen the youngest National winner ever)...2006 a sprint and midget double header...Bobby Santos- Tracy Hines.

I had no luck with weather...but there was also no buzz from race fans...the interest in pavement racing not even close to dirt. I lost a TON of money on USAC pavement racing...

That's why I went to dirt at Kamp in 07, ....LOTS OF INTEREST ....Jerry Coons Jr... and Union County...I ran into sub standard race track facilities. Steve Buckwalter won that one by the way...Kent Christian the sprints. Two fine racers.

Now we are back on pavement at the Speedrome...the racing has been pretty good...but dirt track racing is winning the battle. I wish the same midgets that race on dirt would be able to run with us...it would help bring in dirt track fans..THE CARS ARE TOO SPECIALIZED. I still love the a variety of pavement midgets we have running at the Speedrome...the first week we had 19 different chassis/engine combos.

This is not a blast at USAC..I used to bleed red, white and blue...

I can hardly wait for the UMRA TQ's to run with us August 30...Those cars are the same ones on dirt and pavement...like it should be.

Best,
Tony Barhorst
www.rumbleseries.com

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What if USAC did adopt a 'one car for pavement and dirt' policy. What would happen at the dirt races? Would the USAC guys get beat up by all those local guys running their fancy dedicated dirt sprint cars? Or, would the doors be closed on dirt to anyone not running a 'one car for pavement and dirt'?

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Originally Posted by Honest-Sam:
What if USAC did adopt a 'one car for pavement and dirt' policy. What would happen at the dirt races? Would the USAC guys get beat up by all those local guys running their fancy dedicated dirt sprint cars? Or, would the doors be closed on dirt to anyone not running a 'one car for pavement and dirt'?

they would have to race a usac legal car! if the wanted to race usac!

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Well, wouldn't that transfer the problems that we have on pavement to the dirt?

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Originally Posted by honest-sam:
well, wouldn't that transfer the problems that we have on pavement to the dirt?

no way!!!!!!!!!!! All they would need is a spec frame!!!!!!! Most teams go thru 3 or 4 a year dirt racing they tell me a frame is the cheapest thing in a sprint car!!!!!!!!!!!!

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What if someone like, say, Foxco, wants to continue to run for KISS titles, and MSCS shows, they would then have to keep using the same 3-4 cars a year that they currently use for those races, and then, buy a some USAC cars to compete in that series? That would total 6 or more frames per year. You don't think that would hurt car counts and fan support on the USAC dirt shows?

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Originally Posted by SUPERDUKE:
poncho carter! The board rollie beale tom bigelow lee kuzman ron shavers gary stanton tom hunt and myself!

If that is the Tom Hunt that is the USAC West Coast VP then you trully are nuts! :10:

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What Sam is talking about is the car count. If you had to have a combo frame to run a USAC dirt race I think it would kill the car count.
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Originally Posted by spankytoo:
if that is the tom hunt that is the usac west coast vp then you trully are nuts! :10:

i guess you don't like tom hunt! Tell us why? And i'am not nuts! Tell us who you want to run usac?:14:

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Originally Posted by kinser:
what sam is talking about is the car count. If you had to have a combo frame to run a usac dirt race i think it would kill the car count.
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its scary that you two don't get it! We raced cars like that for 80+ years if you want to run usac for more money you will get a usac spec car!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If not race for & $70o or $1000 to win! And usac needs to quit racing so much in ind. There are tracks all over the usa! The world don't end at terre haute or eldora!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by honest-sam:
what if someone like, say, foxco, wants to continue to run for kiss titles, and mscs shows, they would then have to keep using the same 3-4 cars a year that they currently use for those races, and then, buy a some usac cars to compete in that series? That would total 6 or more frames per year. You don't think that would hurt car counts and fan support on the usac dirt shows?

fox had a roadster for pavement and a dirt sprint car!!!!!!!!!!! For years!!!!!!!!!!

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Its not the 35.00 fee thats got my goat. its the 800.00 fee to run the champ car and you only want to run 3 to 4 of the 5 pavement races. would run more if they had some not so far away.

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Originally Posted by THE PAINTER:
Its not the 35.00 fee thats got my goat. its the 800.00 fee to run the champ car and you only want to run 3 to 4 of the 5 pavement races. would run more if they had some not so far away.

YOU NAILED THAT ONE. Silver Crown needs more races.

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The money to register a Silver Crown car is nuts, I know some guys who just want to run the dirt miles and they didn't get their cars out last year.

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Originally Posted by sc96:
you nailed that one. Silver crown needs more races.

ok whats stoping you from leasing a track and put out bout $100000 and do it! :15::14:

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[QUOTE=SUPERDUKE;113116]i guess you don't like tom hunt! Tell us why? And i'am not nuts! Tell us who you want to run usac?:14:[COLOR="Black"]

The best reason I can tell you about in the case of Tom Hunt is he plays favorites. If you are one of USAC's golden boys the rules no longer apply. Here is my example:
1996 Turkey Night was on dirt. It was at Perris Auto Speedway. The finsih of the race was Billy Boat - Robby Flock - Ronnie Day. They all lined up on the front straight. I was standing right there when USAC came over with their rear axle measuring tool to see if anyone had their car to wide. Robby Flock was the first to get measured and was to wide, he was then told to go to tech area and eventually was DQ'd. Ronnie Day was next and was okay. Then Billys' car was checked and it was to wide, he was told to go to tech. Robby's crew went to tech, Billy's crew pushed their car to their pit. A lot of yelling went on about it. I believe that Ronnie Day should have one that race, but USAC had a golden boy on his way to Indy and no one was stopping that from happening. Including Tom Hunt who was there and in the middle of it.

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Originally Posted by SUPERDUKE:
ok whats stoping you from leasing a track and put out bout $100000 and do it! :15::14:

Yeah Sure... We all have an extra $100,000 laying around.:17: