Messeraul ran 3rd last night at Jacksonville in a 40 car field.

It's going to be interesting to see how he progresses in a winged car.

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Remember when USAC ran some winged races back in the late 80s..???

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Originally Posted by jdull99:
Remember when USAC ran some winged races back in the late 80s..???

Yup. Remember one year USAC started Spring Eldora Winged and ended Four Crown Non Winged. Also Jeff Gordon's win at Florence Speedway was Winged.

Originally Posted by SpfldMile:
I still think USAC is a really good option for guys that want to be home more. It’s a national series, but the schedule is definitely Midwest centered, kinda like the All Stars were centered in OH/PA. Everyone wants USAC to pay more, but that money has to come from somewhere. I figure Flo is bankrolling the High Limit shows to some extent. They could help out if they wanted. In any case, I will still go to non wing shows, they are often better racing, and I’ll go to wing shows too.

FLO is a minority owner of the High Limit Series. 50% of Streaming income goes into the High Limit purse.

Originally Posted by Dale:
Wasn't Bacon basically renting the Hoffman name?

Hoffman put money into Brady’s team to be listed as the owner, thus continuing the Hoffman Auto Racing’s Legacy

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Originally Posted by Pancho Stapp:
So who ends up in the HRM #69?

Chris Windom

Originally Posted by Dale:
Wasn't Bacon basically renting the Hoffman name?

Rob Hoffman put some money into Bacon’s deal after Richard Hoffman (Rob’s Father) passed away. The idea was to continue the decades long Hoffman Racing legacy

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Originally Posted by Blacki-Suede:
Rob Hoffman put some money into Bacon’s deal after Richard Hoffman (Rob’s Father) passed away. The idea was to continue the decades long Hoffman Racing legacy

Been two other drivers carry the HAR banner as well. KTJ and Chad Boespflug.

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USAC will continue to be a viable series and will continue to attract drivers. I would suspect that as some, like Bacon, try the wings (again), others who haven’t found winged success will move back. Additionally, there are young drivers moving up from the mini-sprint and tq ranks who can’t jump into the wings who will go traditional sprint racing, and even if that’s not specifically to USAC many do run several USAC races.

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Post title should have read, Bacon finally figures out how to run TC in wing car, decides to transition for the 3rd time.

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There is no Hoffman 69 car.....the team has belonged to Brady sice before I partnered in with him. He kept the colors and number and listed them as owners because he is friends with them and wanted to carry on the tradition.

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The team belongs to Brady and I own the engines.....you need to study up on the facts.......I am surprised at all the inner working of our team that have been posted by people who have nothing to do with our team.....fascinating :)

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Thanks for the clarification, Gene. Unfortunately many here know so much more than anyone else, they may not believe you. If you're going along with Brady I understand that completely.

I don't understand why some here think these departures don't have a negative impact or connotation for the sanctioning body. Best of luck to Bacon and his team.

Originally Posted by Gene Franckowiak:
The team belongs to Brady and I own the engines.....you need to study up on the facts.......I am surprised at all the inner working of our team that have been posted by people who have nothing to do with our team.....fascinating :)

Unbelievable,how did that happen?

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Originally Posted by Gene Franckowiak:
The team belongs to Brady and I own the engines.....you need to study up on the facts.......I am surprised at all the inner working of our team that have been posted by people who have nothing to do with our team.....fascinating :)

Gene, I always appreciate being told the truth other than trying to piece what is actually happening together. Deception was never my intent and I mentioned Brady has the cars shop, hauler and mechanic and you were the engine guy.

When Richard and Chip got out. They teamed with Chad B for a year, I do know some equipment was swapped or lent to do the USAC tour. Then KTJ then back to Brady. I said in my post all along that I had no real knowledge of the relationship.

Rob still has race cars and has raced the last three Little 500s Two with cars he built from scratch and the current one with a Beast, so there is still a HAR and I know he could use some sponsors just to help that cause.

Always loved the fact that you helped teams. I don't think a couple teams would have existed without it. Thank you.

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Originally Posted by Charles Nungester:
Not sure, Rob intends to keep a team out there at least until their Hundred anniversary of HAR and possibly beyond which I think is 2028.

So this is Blah, Blah, Blah, blah to infinity and beyond. Gene just lowered the boom on the Hoffman car Its basically a NIL only car (name, image, and likeness). So my question is how far does this go back and why should his wins go down in the books as a Hoffman team win? Shouldn't there be an * in the record books under thier team wins. That’s just :10:

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No Blah too it. If it's the name on the entry list. Brady's had almost half a dozen teams out of his shop at one point or another, In fact the last Oval Nationals win he had was in the 98 (Which he ran Xtreme and other races with_. Go back and watch. It's a blue chassis.

If anything, It's a honor to HAR and everyone else who supports Him. He always gives them the credit they deserve and that's all that matters. Tons of Work, People, Time and money goes into making that team(S) work.

Always someone out they trying to tear down Success. Blah to that.

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I get that he’s honoring them and I’ve got no problem with that, but his wins shouldn’t count towards a ghost team that doesn’t exist.

Apparently USAC needs to erase a bunch of wins credited to Hoffman’s. A Bacon/Francowiack partnership is not Hoffman Auto Racing. I respect Hoffman’s but if I were them I would not accept credit for something I was not actually a part of. Hate to see them go, wish Rob would get the itch again and help the fight against all the winged BS. USAC is better off with the August Hoffman red, white and black colors #69.

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Well then it should work both ways. Like Grant only getting credit or his wins with Topp and not including Baldwin, Walker, Hery etc.

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Dynamics, Inc. is listed on the website as the "entrant". I assume USAC will make out a check at the end of the year to Dynamics, Inc. for their share of owners (entrants?) winnings. It would seem to me whoever signs that check is the team owner.
Does anyone know what the corporate structure of Dynamics, Inc. is? Who is the CEO, who is the President, who is the CFO, who are the share holders?

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Originally Posted by The Old Coyote:
Dynamics, Inc. is listed on the website as the "entrant". I assume USAC will make out a check at the end of the year to Dynamics, Inc. for their share of owners (entrants?) winnings. It would seem to me whoever signs that check is the team owner.
Does anyone know what the corporate structure of Dynamics, Inc. is? Who is the CEO, who is the President, who is the CFO, who are the share holders?

The Corporate structure is a solid lineage August (GUS) Founder, Richard (Son) Rob Grandson. (HOFFMAN) Since 1928 And still racing.

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Though the "dynamics" of the team are different these days, Rob Hoffman has continued to purchase a USAC National Sprint Car entrant license each year, and did so this year as well, to be listed as the official entrant of the Dynamics, Inc. #69.

There is certainly support there from the Hoffmans to Bacon, although they may not "own" the actual cars.

There's a reason that the standings are listed as "entrant" points and not "owner" points. All the record books state "entrant" wins and "entrant" championships. Entrants are not necessarily the same as the owner, although in most cases, they are one and the same.

When teams purchase their license, they can list their entrant name however they choose to do so. There have been instances of this over the years in a variety of series.

Curb/Agajanian has also been listed as a car entrant for many teams over the years, which they continue to do today as well. They are not necessarily "car owners" but as an entrant, they are among the most successful.

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And this is they say, Has been Scoobied to completion. No Asterisks.

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Thanks Charles and Richie.

So Master Gasser’s on the Twitter just posted an average earnings per start for wing guy’s that are not full time WOO, or HL. Brady is on that list with an average of $2619 a start in 25 race’s. That’s with a 12k Outlaw win and start money in the National’s and the Kings. I wonder what his average wingless intake is?

Minus expenses

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Originally Posted by flagboy55:
So Master Gasser’s on the Twitter just posted an average earnings per start for wing guy’s that are not full time WOO, or HL. Brady is on that list with an average of $2619 a start in 25 race’s. That’s with a 12k Outlaw win and start money in the National’s and the Kings. I wonder what his average wingless intake is?

Minus Expenses...

Total Through 40 USAC National Sprint Car Races in 2024 (So Far): $103,725

Average Per Race: $2,593.13

Indiana Sprint Week (2nd Place) $4,000

Bubby Jones Master of Going Faster Title (Not Finished Yet – Currently ranks 1st, which is $10,000)

End of Year Point Fund (Not Finished Yet – Currently ranks 2nd, which is $30,000)

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Back in the dark ages before the internet. NSSN would list the winnings for each car at the end of the story about the race.

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Originally Posted by richie:
Minus Expenses...

Total Through 40 USAC National Sprint Car Races in 2024 (So Far): $103,725

Average Per Race: $2,593.13

Indiana Sprint Week (2nd Place) $4,000

Bubby Jones Master of Going Faster Title (Not Finished Yet – Currently ranks 1st, which is $10,000)

End of Year Point Fund (Not Finished Yet – Currently ranks 2nd, which is $30,000)

Thank-you for posting on here again Richie.

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Originally Posted by Charles Nungester:
And this is they say, Has been Scoobied to completion. No Asterisks.

Oops not so fast. The Dynamics thing has been set up this way forever. Keeps a layer of separation between the Family name and any potential legal issues with the race car. That is common knowledge. You can be a nobody like me and know this is fact.

The asterisks occur when it was posted about this years winnings and average per race. If it includes the money earned at Macon then there is a huge asterisk! There should be 0$ earned for that event. Yes I will continue to bring this up every time. It’s ok tho. Asterisk noted.

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Originally Posted by yeleyfan76:
Oops not so fast. The Dynamics thing has been set up this way forever. Keeps a layer of separation between the Family name and any potential legal issues with the race car. That is common knowledge. You can be a nobody like me and know this is fact.

The asterisks occur when it was posted about this years winnings and average per race. If it includes the money earned at Macon then there is a huge asterisk! There should be 0$ earned for that event. Yes I will continue to bring this up every time. It’s ok tho. Asterisk noted.

So he cheated, admitted it. Admitted he should have been penalized. and how is this now NOT ALL ON USAC?

That's ok, Im sure you'll cry every time he wins about something.

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Originally Posted by Charles Nungester:
So he cheated, admitted it. Admitted he should have been penalized. and how is this now NOT ALL ON USAC?

That's ok, Im sure you'll cry every time he wins about something.

Cry isn’t the term Charles. I’ll just remind you that every time this situation arises he was one of the cheaters. Usac doing the 180 turn away from it is a separate issue. I bet if Bacon tries cheating in the wing deal there won’t be a discussion if the sanction has a clique that allows cheating, the discussion will be about why can’t this guy follow the rules. Haven’t looked at points lately but if Seavey loses to Bacon does Brady man up and say I can’t accept this because I knowingly cheated but the sanction is weak and let me get away with it? I bet not.
Enough with the caps too Charles. It’s not all on Usac as if Brady wasn’t cheating this conversation doesn’t happen. Bacon and Reinbold cheated and Usac was disgraceful. 50% on cheaters 50% on the sanction. It’s ok tho he’ll be back full time in a year or two just like the first two times.

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:20::44::deadhorse::44:

Originally Posted by Charles Nungester:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPsP5...nel=SunRecords

Regardless of what side you’re on, ya got to love some Cash!

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Originally Posted by The Old Coyote:
:20::44::deadhorse::44:

In over one hundred years of automobile racing this is probably the only instance of someone caught cheating and no penalty being applied

Not even close. And, it's amazing what happens when your dad is a series sponsor. The series employee who points out the infraction gets fired.

Do explain and tell more!

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You seem obsessed with Bacon......how about the other 6 or 7 guys who had weight bolted up front ??......