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Ballou thinks everyone should mount their weight up high in center of car.

I have no idea if the teams cheated or not as I wasn't there to see it. I'm not a member of the "I read it on the internet so it must be true" crowd.

If they failed in tech after hot laps and weight was moved to correct location before time trails then it shouldn't be too severe of a penalty. If car was used in competition with weight mounted front of axle then the penalty should be loss of points and purse for that race night. Paid show up points and money only.

See how easy that was to take the drama and conspiracy away?

Re: Robert Ballou's Comments after Macon
 

I was thinking the same thing, keep the front end down so the car can make the turns on the tight little tracks. Maybe next time they can fill the front bumpers with lead, it might not be as noticeable. I wonder if the illegal weights were used at Kutztown in PA

Re: Robert Ballou's Comments after Macon
 

1) USAC is in the entertainment business.
2) Mr. Ballou is an entertainer.
3) We have been entertained.
4) Next question.

Was someone cheating? There’s the question. Valid in any business except, well you know

Re: Robert Ballou's Comments after Macon
 

Back in the day at Ascot we used to have a 15lbs and a 25lbs weights that we used to mount under the front torsion tubes for that exact reason.:6:

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soaking tires, traction control, (allegedly) weights in from of axle, hell, just strap on a wing and go racing....no consequences, right???

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Look at you being all sensible and stuff. Who would have guessed. :3:

Perhaps remove the term "cheating". Whether it violated the rule purposely or was done due to lack of knowledge or human error the rule should be enforced.

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Seems that USAC could have responded by now, one way or another, and clear things up. (maybe they have) But, it seems that whenever there is a matter of days between issues and USAC responses, the slow response time gives people too much time to dwell on it and throw fuel on the fire. USAC usually gets a black eye out of the deal, deservedly or not. Whatever, the racing was great Sat. night.

I noticed the photo of the 69 car was not from Macon.

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See, Cheap Fakes! :44:

Cap, does violate the rules sound better? Like you said, if there’s an infraction there should be consequences. Otherwise why have rules? I personally hate when this happens, because at least at this point, with the info I have, I can’t defend my club. I hope resolution comes soon

So Bacons done this before then! 🤣

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Interesting discussion

Here it is Tuesday afternoon and there is no news online that I can find. I am not on twatter or fakebook so I suppose I am severely handicapped....

Re: Robert Ballou's Comments after Macon
 

What's complicated, if u violate a rule you lose your results and money for that race.


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If you violate (especially knowingly) a performance advantage rule maybe fines, points or even a vacation is in order. Also safety issues (like tubing thickness) should fall under this.

What ever happened to tire gate, never really followed it ? Big names too and main event win ?

Lastly, if this was a non regular USAC racer who won, and didn't know the rules, you think USAC would give them a pass ?

:5:

Fan of both Brady, Moles and 19 team, but a bit disappointed at them ( I guess if u ain't cheating, ur not trying :( ) BUT MORE DISAPPOINTED WITH USAC. What more evidence do they need ?

Forgot about gambling, could somebody pursue civil action if the sanctioning body knowingly allowed certain teams to violate/break a rule. What does the rulebook state if a team violates a rule ?

Apologies if USAC has already addressed this.

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"Forgot about gambling, could somebody pursue civil action if the sanctioning body knowingly allowed certain teams to violate/break a rule."

Interesting point, now that USAC has gambling. What if USAC disqualifies both cars, takes away their prize money and points?

What will the bookie do about all the money was that was won and lost with the change in standings.

What a can of worms.

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You know, I never considered "Dirt Draft." Oh My Lord!

Points and Prize Money? Just Points? I figure just points which would be a fair penalty IMO.

Jeez I really can't stand "Dirt Draft" this is another reason not to like it.

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As far as I know Tire gate was proven just that. That the original lab results were flawed. They spent a ton of money and time to prove that. Two owners told me that.

As far as this thing I got no idea. It it weights or is it the plate that you can mount weight into?

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The owners and drivers I spoke with have a vastly different opinions than those two owners. Remember when Ballou was complaining at Lawrenceburg last year about the winner's tires? Is it a coincidence that the same driver was one of those that "failed" the tire test by said rogue lab? Probably not, but I don't drink the Kool Aid either.

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SPOILER ALERT! THIS IS SATIRE!

The Setting: USAC office in Speedway, Indiana

Those attending: Various USAC officials and Guido Sarducci, aka "The Hammer", representing the sports books affiliated with USAC.

USAC officials discuss disqualifying Bacon & Moles for illegal weight during last Fridays race and "The Hammer" says, "Whatta you a mean a changna resulta lasa Friday? You canna do dat, I breaka you face".

Re: Robert Ballou's Comments after Macon
 

Personally I don't understand some of you guys not liking the word cheating in this aspect.

Rules state black and white, the weight has to be between the axles and below the mid rails.

Both teams have years & years of experience with sprint cars. They're not inexperienced.

So even though I like Bacon and Reinbold/Underwood. They were both cheating. They both intentionally put weight in front of the axle.

Almost starting to seem as if usac’s answer to this is going to be just say nothing and act like it never happened. They’ve had time to cancel and figure out rain dates for 2 races but zero comment on the alleged cheating. Maybe they are sending the weights off to “other facilities for testing”

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Now I'm scratching my head at October 6th!

Heck, mid week would draw better.

Not sure SC runs mid week,with the distance teams have to travel weekend probably works better for them,just glad they rescheduled.

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Now would be a great time for Jason Smith to put his stamp on his new leadership role and shake things up?? Make a president level decision and do the right thing. Maybe, just maybe, he needs to re-evaluate his race day operations teams and make some changes??

Enquiring minds will watch and wait.

https://www.usacracing.com/component...f%20Directors.

A mid week Silver Crown race would result in a promoter losing thousands of dollars

Re: Robert Ballou's Comments after Macon
 

What controversy?

Surely there'd be more out there if something were actually going on. Already a race scheduled and cancelled and two more this weekend.

Also other podcasters and youtubers out there claiming Ballou retired. A couple hours before he pulled into Kokomo's BC Victory lane.

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Leave it to Robert for all your marketing needs. :8::6:

https://x.com/robertballou81/status/1809013220784353696

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I feel torn by who is trying to gaslight me more, you or Ballou?

https://x.com/robertballou81/status/1809013220784353696

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Your confusing Gaslighting with Sarcasm.

After reading about all this while on the road in PA it seems to me the worst thing USAC can do about this is nothing. Make an official statement on the issue & don't just bury your head in the sand. The two teams either broke the rules or they didn't. The race fans deserve to know the decision made and what actions if any were taken. USAC should not become a secret society.

Bruce Eckel

Sarcasm, nah, Neither. One is lying and one is truthful. One wants to impale their position on you and the other just reports the facts.

I think there are facts being swept aside that people chose not acknowledge. USAC is a club , clubs usually collapse do to favortism
This isn’t the first dust up in recent years and no one at USAC has the balls to make a call when it offends someone.
Ho Hum!!!

Would seem usac is gonna have to address this or risk having Mr Ballou undress them every time in front of a mic. He just put them on blast in his post race interview tonight. That was Hewitt level bluntness

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So why is it just him saying something or can you only do that on the front stretch with the mic? I say that because probably five or six other teams would jump a spot in standing on one DQ alone. So where are they?

Another thing is USAC does even their spot check tech after the victory lane deal. Not before like every other sanction that goes to the scale and do a check that the right brand and hardness tires are on the car. No reason top three or four couldn't have everything but the fuel and tire test done in TWO MINUTES EACh and send em back to victory lane.

I say that because a couple years ago Courtney was dq'd after a race i attended but was the victory lane recipient. so much so it was when I got home that i found out Bacon had won due to low weight.

Yeah, Im a fan of Bacon, But Im a fan of all the USAC Guys and even the locals who give it a go.

Is this the first time it was done? I mean I seen two pics of the last two years champ with something on the front tubes. Not sure where it was from or what race.

I once watched a race at Kokomo a multi time USAC champ idled around under yellows nudging the infield tires every time he passed. knocked em in about three feet. rant the very bottom and won. Is that cheating?

And lastly, I don't believe for a minute Ballou's never cheated and I like him too.

It’s very simple. I was at Macon and witnessed Sprig say it is illegal to mount weight in that spot, but he was not going to enforce the rule. That is a fact! Then at the Saturday drivers meeting Bacon was asked what he felt his penalty merited and he replied, and I quote “disqualification”.
Now here is the issue that everyone is hiding from. The tech guys brought this issue to Sprig’s attention during inspection and he DID NOT enforce the rule book. It has to be an even playing field for ALL participants, or the rules are useless !
USAC has lost a lot of credibility with their drivers , however Ballou is the only one that isn’t afraid to speak up. There was actually talk among many drivers in the pits at Macon on Saturday , to band together and not race that night, due to Sprigs tactics.

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Thanks for the post streetglider

I also find it strange no one else said anything. I mean it's cricket city on this issue. So something very strange as I can't see an entire field of professionals being OK with this. I have several questions but short of driving to someone's shop or going down to USAC HQ at this point it must have been hearsay?

Re: Robert Ballou's Comments after Macon
 

Remember 2018 when he tried to undress some then?

https://www.autoweek.com/racing/more...-tony-stewart/

A USAC Sprint Car driver was suspended by the sanctioning body last week for derogatory comments he made about Eldora Speedway, the famous dirt track owned by the three-time Monster Energy NASCAR Cup Series champion.

On the final night of last weekend’s 4-Crown Nationals. Rober Ballou made statements on Twitter about the condition of the racing surface at the Rossburg, Ohio, track.

The USAC competition committee decided to suspend the veteran racer based on his tweets and a long history of criticizing the series.

Re: Robert Ballou's Comments after Macon
 

More from last night…..

https://x.com/JohnnyWingo/status/1809430494859198772

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If USAC did in fact refuse to enforce its own rules it would look pretty stupid slapping Robert in the [insert appropriate noun].

Thanks Glider…….


Folks read it over again and again until you comprehend the seriousness of the issue at hand. Are you in the “Club”? Robert may be a lil brash with his words but he is the only person to have the ballz to call out the club.
Yes in will probably cost him in the end but which club you want to be in? USAC gotta lot of issues currently they need to straighten out. Don’t drink the Kool Aid. Drivers need to stand their ground. I would have thought Bacon would have been a Macho Man enough to release a social media statement of his version to possibly help his name , but I’ve not seen any. Sounds like Race Director is the root of the problem. Best of luck drivers. Spridge , Richie, please tell us the Real story .

In this special race weekend, I wander what Bill would have to say……