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As I posted earlier, I thought the feature was good, and I thought the whole program was ran very well. It was a quality field of cars. I also can say without Kyle Larson racing, the crowd would have been drastically smaller. The people who complain about him taking the money better realize, that he is the main reason that money is available. All the advertising mentioned his name. He was very accessible to fans. I watched him sign and pose for pictures for a long time in the parking lot. He also made himself available in the pits.
Also good for Doug Boles for what he did. I was told he had been in South Bend for business. Drove to Kokomo, but had to be at another meeting at the speedway. He arranged for a helicopter to take him to his meeting and bring him back. I don't care who you are, that is a long day. He is truly passionate about dirt open wheel racing, and that is good for the sport.

Originally Posted by Charles Nungester:
All these guys saying I wish Larson would stay home so we could make some $$ should consider the T shirt sales are probably thrice a normal WoO show. I also doubt they have to be a Gold member just to have a T shirt .

Three times the tshirt sales for who?

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Originally Posted by dsc1600:
Three times the tshirt sales for who?

Everybody. The event probably wouldn't happen to begin with.

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It always amazes me the lengths the regional non-wing crowd will go to refuse to admit they saw a good wing show in person or on FLO. Have to keep that anti-wing agenda moving forward.

I love non-wing racing and it's my favorite but to refuse to open ones eyes and see that wing cars have made some rule changes to put on better shows and racing is just insensate.

I heard a rumor that Larson and Stewart were talking about combining the 2 series together
Anyway this happens?

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Originally Posted by opnwhlmnd:
It always amazes me the lengths the regional non-wing crowd will go to refuse to admit they saw a good wing show in person or on FLO. Have to keep that anti-wing agenda moving forward.

I love non-wing racing and it's my favorite but to refuse to open ones eyes and see that wing cars have made some rule changes to put on better shows and racing is just insensate.

I grew up watching nothing but wing racing 35 years ago, transitioned to non-wing when the Indiana scene changed, and now love to watch both. Certain things about each type of cars that you don't get with the other. Open your horizons if you can. Really wish Indiana had more wing shows like High Limits.

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Originally Posted by opnwhlmnd:
It always amazes me the lengths the regional non-wing crowd will go to refuse to admit they saw a good wing show in person or on FLO. Have to keep that anti-wing agenda moving forward.

I love non-wing racing and it's my favorite but to refuse to open ones eyes and see that wing cars have made some rule changes to put on better shows and racing is just insensate.

It always amazes me the number of people who try to convince me to go to things I don't care too.

I actually fell out of Winged racing love. Not the other way around. By the second or third year of my being able to travel. Several Indy tracks had gone Wing mostly and that included Indiana names like Randy and Kelly Kinser, The blands, Huntley, Briscoe, Gordon, Shields, Amati and a few others, not to mention the Ohio Contingent, Jacobs Dean and Kenny, Haud, Reed, R Duncan, Kane, Hewitt and many more. I traveled all over Ohio and Indiana to watch em.
Hoosier Fall Classics were epic don't miss events. Brought in many stars from across the country and yet our locals could compete in many cases and win.

Mid 90s happen and half of those are running few and far between, Drivers retiring. All Stars spin off into regional s with A couple stars in each. By 2010 there wasn't a semi local winged racing star running Wings.

So in essence the sport left me as the closest star in it isn't within a hundred miles. or regular participant in it.

I've always felt a good long green feature in wings is just as good as any. But the heats if the track isn't wide and two groove often have nothing to offer but another hot lap session.

I don't have a Michael Fischesser or Moffatt Garrett or Gaines, Tmez to go watch at the Kings royal anymore. Doesn't mean it's not still a great event, I means I have no connection to it.

Indiana tracks also have few running Wings and racing at home. I've been told by many that if they could turn a $$ profit from it they'd have winged shows. But the belief I have is they dont' because they can't. Kinda like the LM's have become, Three or four series going and a few tracks trying to get two heats worth of cars unless there's 20 to win or more on the line.

I thought the feature at Kokomo was great, Larson could kinda be considered local and even though Peck left to pursue Wings, WHo could ask for more than that battle.

Originally Posted by opnwhlmnd:
It always amazes me the lengths the regional non-wing crowd will go to refuse to admit they saw a good wing show in person or on FLO. Have to keep that anti-wing agenda moving forward.

I love non-wing racing and it's my favorite but to refuse to open ones eyes and see that wing cars have made some rule changes to put on better shows and racing is just insensate.

For me it's the big picture of the racing. Good feature, but the format makes heats boring and basically an additional practice session for the front runners.

Originally Posted by berks co:
I heard a rumor that Larson and Stewart were talking about combining the 2 series together
Anyway this happens?

Probably some truth to it. I've heard Stewart would like to sell the All Stars.

Originally Posted by Charles Nungester:
It always amazes me the number of people who try to convince me to go to things I don't care too.

I actually fell out of Winged racing love. Not the other way around. By the second or third year of my being able to travel. Several Indy tracks had gone Wing mostly and that included Indiana names like Randy and Kelly Kinser, The blands, Huntley, Briscoe, Gordon, Shields, Amati and a few others, not to mention the Ohio Contingent, Jacobs Dean and Kenny, Haud, Reed, R Duncan, Kane, Hewitt and many more. I traveled all over Ohio and Indiana to watch em.
Hoosier Fall Classics were epic don't miss events. Brought in many stars from across the country and yet our locals could compete in many cases and win.

Mid 90s happen and half of those are running few and far between, Drivers retiring. All Stars spin off into regional s with A couple stars in each. By 2010 there wasn't a semi local winged racing star running Wings.

So in essence the sport left me as the closest star in it isn't within a hundred miles. or regular participant in it.

I've always felt a good long green feature in wings is just as good as any. But the heats if the track isn't wide and two groove often have nothing to offer but another hot lap session.

I don't have a Michael Fischesser or Moffatt Garrett or Gaines, Tmez to go watch at the Kings royal anymore. Doesn't mean it's not still a great event, I means I have no connection to it.

Indiana tracks also have few running Wings and racing at home. I've been told by many that if they could turn a $$ profit from it they'd have winged shows. But the belief I have is they dont' because they can't. Kinda like the LM's have become, Three or four series going and a few tracks trying to get two heats worth of cars unless there's 20 to win or more on the line.

I thought the feature at Kokomo was great, Larson could kinda be considered local and even though Peck left to pursue Wings, WHo could ask for more than that battle.

What happened first? Did Indiana tracks go non wing or did the drivers leave?
I had a car back in that era and I remember the tracks going non wing, with one reason & maybe the biggest one was they could have a lower purse. One promoter you & I both know personally told me that wings were killing him & the NW guys would run for less. Heck and that’s still the case a lot of times, many times it seems a show that pays less will have a fair amount more cars than a competing race that pays more.

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Originally Posted by motorhead748:
What happened first? Did Indiana tracks go non wing or did the drivers leave?
I had a car back in that era and I remember the tracks going non wing, with one reason & maybe the biggest one was they could have a lower purse. One promoter you & I both know personally told me that wings were killing him & the NW guys would run for less. Heck and that’s still the case a lot of times, many times it seems a show that pays less will have a fair amount more cars than a competing race that pays more.

That's just it, I don't know. Staab told me when they went wing almost full time that in five years it would be gone, that most couldn't afford to do it. Some of the wing guys stayed running that way and either ran atomic or with the all stars. But by the all stars demise it seemed liek there was only a smattering of really good cars. Of course it was several years before that that Bloomington and burg went back to non wing. But we'd also gone from about 25-30 cars a show to sometimes only 9-10. When Staab took Burg back over we went back non wing. BAM in a year or two it was 35-40 cars again

It was so hot at one point under Mel that he's run against the Kings Royal for five or ten grand and have 35-40 cars how up. Wasn't a great crowd but we had great racing..

I may have seen the Golden Age of Both Wing and Non Wing. IDK. The top of both still put on excellent racing but fewer and fewer tracks are pulling big counts.

I know this, those who make it and last sacrificed a lot to get there. every extra penny, spare time etc is toward the racecar..

I Enjoy their talents. Many of the guys running at the rear worked just as hard to be there as the winners.

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Originally Posted by BrentTFunk:
I thought it was a good show. Perfect amount of cars to run an efficient show. Real good quality too. Real good crowd for a Tuesday night, though not as big as the July3 show or Sprint Week. Track was very racy. I have felt for a while that Justin Peck is the most under rated wing driver. Nothing changed my mind last night.

The comment I quoted comes from a die hard "Traditional" fan, as most of you know
Most of the comments here have been pretty open minded. Thats good :23:
I prefer wingless from a pure racing standpoint, but here on the East Coast the vast majority of races are winged, so thats what I can see live. Taking care of my 100 yr. old Mom has drastically cut down on my travel, only races I've gone to this summer have been 2 Eastern Storm events & recent High Limit race at Grandview.
2 things: A)Some of the top wingless guys have "gone to the dark side", so I don't really care so much about who wins in USAC, enjoy the racing but not really rooting for anyone in particular. Plus its hard to see the numbers (Funk has called me out on this...) (B) In wingers, I root for The Posse or former wingless guys, which makes it interesting. Don't mind if Rico or Larson win tho, cause they're GOOD!
I hope High Limit continues, glad to see that most of the Hoosier fans enjoyed it! :8: