Why would teams alter tires KNOWING they will be checked. All the time, effort & money to get to the tracks to compete, why in the world would you do such a thing. I believe there is something wrong with the tires or testing.

Originally Posted by boomer:
Why would teams alter tires KNOWING they will be checked. All the time, effort & money to get to the tracks to compete, why in the world would you do such a thing. I believe there is something wrong with the tires or testing.

Mr. Boomer I do not know you, but that seems to be something that some people are not thinking about. Just a few post ago a person made the comment of KO being a 2 car team...so did both do it and only one got caught or was there a mix up of something of what? Look at JG,Topp,RMS,JG's Silver Crown team...JG has a legitimate chance at the $300K bonus for all 3 championships, maybe wont win Silver Crown over Swanson or Santos, but there you go again, great chance at Midgets and Sprints championship which would be $150K bonus...their going to jeopardize all that over "doping tires" for the new extreme series??? I'm with you, just seems something is off or doesnt line up and until EVERYTHING is out in the clear open air, how is it right to call any driver or team cheaters??? Too many people jumping to assumptions and conclusions without knowing EVERYTHING.

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Originally Posted by boomer:
Why would teams alter tires KNOWING they will be checked. All the time, effort & money to get to the tracks to compete, why in the world would you do such a thing. I believe there is something wrong with the tires or testing.

I don't think all teams tires are tested, maybe its like gambling, win some lose some. Its only cheating when you get caught in some peoples minds, and everyone is looking for that little extra edge on the competition. How much do you want to gamble and how much do you have to lose?

I know one team that tested bad and I know for a fact that they do not prep tires in any way other than mount and sometimes balance.
No you can’t run over oil or brake fluid or wd-40 on the track and fail the test. Unless, the track itself has chemicals in it. The problem most certainly lies with Hoosier and they’ve been contacted. Too many guys are failing tests that could tarnish careers and don’t even need to prep tires. Batch numbers are being compared and new and old samples from that batch are being taken and tested. Obviously something is amiss. Let’s not jump to conclusions so quickly. Hopefully JG and stockon’s records can be expunged by Xtreme and put this Florida issue behind us.

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Originally Posted by Stevensville Mike:
Can one dope a tire to make it harder? I know that running a heat cycle with a slick and then cooling it with water when it is hot is a method.

So, what chemicals are used for this or that? I'd like to know. Thanks.

Yes, Simple Green or Acrosol, it pulls the oil out of the tire. These are mainly used to clean tires and pull out prior preps. There are too many chemicals to name, but xylene and toulene are main softeners.

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Originally Posted by RR>LR=LTO:
I know one team that tested bad and I know for a fact that they do not prep tires in any way other than mount and sometimes balance.
No you can’t run over oil or brake fluid or wd-40 on the track and fail the test. Unless, the track itself has chemicals in it. The problem most certainly lies with Hoosier and they’ve been contacted. Too many guys are failing tests that could tarnish careers and don’t even need to prep tires. Batch numbers are being compared and new and old samples from that batch are being taken and tested. Obviously something is amiss. Let’s not jump to conclusions so quickly. Hopefully JG and stockon’s records can be expunged by Xtreme and put this Florida issue behind us.

Are the tires in question bought off the truck in FL? If not, I would question the validity of the tire. Cure time is a critical component to successful tire prepping and the off season is a great time for tires to cure after being prepped. Lets not kid ourselves, there are the undetectable preps out there, but even those will show up against a compound sample because molecular compound has changed. You wont smell it and the tire wont feel softer due to the curing process. If they really want to test tires....check the spring rate in the sidewall. That will tell you everything. If the tire has been rolled with internal, which is likely the case, the sidewall construction will be softened and the spring rate will not be as stiff and will provide for more side bite. Makes a big difference.

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Originally Posted by Stevensville Mike:

So, what chemicals are used for this or that? I'd like to know. Thanks.

If you want to dive into the world of tire technology and have a few hours to burn this is a good starting spot. For kart racers tire prep is the holy gospel. You win and lose based on your tires and how they are prepped.

https://tracktac.com/

If some one loses a motor etc and puts oil on the track, driving over a substantial amount could cause this I believe.

A simple test I have used, is a sniffer used to track leaks in air conditioning units, also found good in testing fuel, or if your friend is wearing Parfums.

Purchased between 12/15/21 and 1/25/22.

Originally Posted by Kart#51:
Are the tires in question bought off the truck in FL? If not, I would question the validity of the tire. Cure time is a critical component to successful tire prepping and the off season is a great time for tires to cure after being prepped. Lets not kid ourselves, there are the undetectable preps out there, but even those will show up against a compound sample because molecular compound has changed. You wont smell it and the tire wont feel softer due to the curing process. If they really want to test tires....check the spring rate in the sidewall. That will tell you everything. If the tire has been rolled with internal, which is likely the case, the sidewall construction will be softened and the spring rate will not be as stiff and will provide for more side bite. Makes a big difference.

Purchased between 12/15/21 and 1/20/22

We bought tires in Florida for all 5 races at both tracks from 2 different tire vendors. We were tested and came up negative for any solvent or doping solutions. It's the easiest way to do it. (Buy at the track)! We all know people dope tires and we no it won't stop. Just some of us choose not to. I don't see the big surprise about this. If you cured a tire and you know your going to be checked and your running 3rd you better fall back a few spots. I don't get it.

Originally Posted by Haulinmail:
We bought tires in Florida for all 5 races at both tracks from 2 different tire vendors. We were tested and came up negative for any solvent or doping solutions. It's the easiest way to do it. (Buy at the track)! We all know people dope tires and we no it won't stop. Just some of us choose not to. I don't see the big surprise about this. If you cured a tire and you know your going to be checked and your running 3rd you better fall back a few spots. I don't get it.

Your test came back negative from the outlaw show or the usac show?

Still crickets from USAC hmmmmmm. I’m sure this deal will get swept under the rug because of who the teams are that failed the tests.

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USAC four tire test came back as cheating but all four cheated with the exact same substance.

Or Hoosier sold some mediums that didn't match their baseline sample.

So is Extreme Correct in dishing out the fines and suspensions or does each team have to do their own tire test to determine that the legal tire is actually legal?

https://www.floracing.com/articles/7...ala-tire-tests

So all 4 tests have the exact same chemicals? Man out of the half million different types of prep out there these 4 teams all used the exact same kind. Interesting information.

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Originally Posted by kinser:
Still crickets from USAC hmmmmmm. I’m sure this deal will get swept under the rug because of who the teams are that failed the tests.

just read on flo that it is going to get swept under the rug. xterme does win round 1.

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does anyone know who the 4 teams are?

Originally Posted by Charles Nungester:
USAC four tire test came back as cheating but all four cheated with the exact same substance.

Or Hoosier sold some mediums that didn't match their baseline sample.

So is Extreme Correct in dishing out the fines and suspensions or does each team have to do their own tire test to determine that the legal tire is actually legal?

https://www.floracing.com/articles/7...ala-tire-tests

There is one main person that dopes sprint car tires in Indiana. I wouldn’t be surprised if they all were on the same stuff.

Originally Posted by nw410gurl:
does anyone know who the 4 teams are?

Yes

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Originally Posted by otgracing17:
There is one main person that dopes sprint car tires in Indiana. I wouldn’t be surprised if they all were on the same stuff.

I have some questions:
1. We know who 2 of the teams were that were tested. Who were the other 2?
2. Will USAC make an official announcement on the situation?
3. Will the Xtreme Outlaw Sprint Series make an official announcement on the situation?
4. Will Hoosier tire make an official announcement?
5. Who is the main Indiana sprint car tire doper?

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I think maybe these 2 teams should go to another class of racing, maybe a HORNET.

Originally Posted by Charles Nungester:
USAC four tire test came back as cheating but all four cheated with the exact same substance.

Or Hoosier sold some mediums that didn't match their baseline sample.

So is Extreme Correct in dishing out the fines and suspensions or does each team have to do their own tire test to determine that the legal tire is actually legal?

https://www.floracing.com/articles/7...ala-tire-tests

What I heard was they tested 6 teams tires and 4 failed. Now USAC is saying that they tested four and all four failed. So how many tires did they really test both nights and how many of them didn’t fail ???? It’s not too hard to see what is going on, either they sweep it under the rug or they have to suspend 4 of the most well funded teams in the series.

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Originally Posted by kinser:
What I heard was they tested 6 teams tires and 4 failed. Now USAC is saying that they tested four and all four failed. So how many tires did they really test both nights and how many of them didn’t fail ???? It’s not too hard to see what is going on, either they sweep it under the rug or they have to suspend 4 of the most well funded teams in the series.

Where did you hear it was 6 that were tested? And how do you know who the other two are?

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Originally Posted by Charles Nungester:
USAC four tire test came back as cheating but all four cheated with the exact same substance.

Or Hoosier sold some mediums that didn't match their baseline sample.

So is Extreme Correct in dishing out the fines and suspensions or does each team have to do their own tire test to determine that the legal tire is actually legal?

https://www.floracing.com/articles/7...ala-tire-tests

hmm.... innocent until proven guilty! :11:

Originally Posted by wrtracing:
I have some questions:
1. We know who 2 of the teams were that were tested. Who were the other 2?
2. Will USAC make an official announcement on the situation?
3. Will the Xtreme Outlaw Sprint Series make an official announcement on the situation?
4. Will Hoosier tire make an official announcement?
5. Who is the main Indiana sprint car tire doper?

1) That is the sanctioning bodies job to point out.
2) Refer to answer 1.
3) Xtreme already made an announcement you can find those on their website.
4) Hoosier did their part of the job they sent the benchmark in. It’s the benchmark for a reason.
5) It’s well known in the people who actually race circles. The person has a pretty good business running and doesn’t do just sprint car stuff nor own a sprint car team or drive one. This person is the main person that sells to sprint car people though as his formula seems to work the best at certain racetracks.

Wander if they found all this info on Hunter Bidens laptop.

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Im well aware there are some things people know that you don't say, I know certain sprint and champ owner but use the race teams name

That being said, the WE KNOW WHO IT IS but won't tell and I know something you don't and won't say is getting REALLY OLD.

So who'd doing the doping? It it a dealer, a team, A person? or the manufacture messed up a batch?

Just hear say...thats all it is...if USAC was sweeping it under the rug, they wouldnt have made a statement at all and they already did about continuing with further testing...something you sweep under the rug is not something you go and tell everyone about and make a public statement about...I mean read a certain person's post...they know who done it...next post...what they heard was...HEAR SAY...DRAMA...its the top 4 funded teams...hmm top 4 funded teams cheated but the others dont huh...wonder how well that sits with their "funder"...as I stated before, 5S was one "according to these amazing sources on here that wont say nothing" but 5M wasnt??? KO really had to scratch his head and pick which one to help and dope the tires huh and which one not to help huh even though their both his??? Hey let's put these tires on the 5S hauler and put these tires on the 5M hauler and give myself and my teams and crews headaches by keeping doped tires away from 5M even though it's all KOs...some of these people on here and their post are so dramatic and they know everything but cant tell anyone anything bc THEY DON'T KNOW ANYTHING.

With Lawrenceburg right around the corner I think we will hear more from USAC on this next week when the additional testing is completed.
I was told one of the teams that tested positive said they'd go wing racing if they received any penalty. With the exodus of some of top top talent already, this seems like a plausible explanation as to why nothing has yet been done to these teams.

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Originally Posted by addictedtodirt:
With Lawrenceburg right around the corner I think we will hear more from USAC on this next week when the additional testing is completed.
I was told one of the teams that tested positive said they'd go wing racing if they received any penalty. With the exodus of some of top top talent already, this seems like a plausible explanation as to why nothing has yet been done to these teams.

Again where did you hear that rumor. This "I was told" or "I heard" stuff is getting old. If you cant name your sources then you probably should keep it to yourself.

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Hey, but I heard it too from a really really really good source. :5:

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Here is some food for thought...

Tire samples will be taken at the 2018 Chili Bowl Nationals (I think they still do it?)
Doping chemicals effect the track condition

From time to time, we are forced to address issues with the comings and goings of the Lucas Oil Chili Bowl Nationals presented by General Tire. One of the issues that we are forced to address for this year’s event is tire doping.

One of the biggest side effects of tire doping is its effect on the racing surface. The chemicals damage the race track and make keeping a consistent surface very difficult. For that reason, tire samples will be taken during the 32nd Lucas Oil Chili Bowl Nationals presented by General Tire.

There will be a designated area at the top of the ramp, and cars will be stopped at random throughout the event. Teams who are stopped will need to provide their own tire groover. This is to avoid any possible cross-contamination. We advise teams to have a groover with you just in case you are stopped.

If a team refuses to have a sample taken, they will be disqualified. All samples will be documented, logged, and a serial number will be used with individual samples placed in a tamper-proof bag and sealed.

A copy of the serial number will be given to the team for proper documentation. If a team is found to be doping their tires, a suspension of one (1) year from competition at the Chili Bowl Nationals will be levied.

Originally Posted by racefan20:
Again where did you hear that rumor. This "I was told" or "I heard" stuff is getting old. If you cant name your sources then you probably should keep it to yourself.

Last I checked freedom of speech was still a thing so no keeping it to myself. I reiterated the same info I got from a crew member nearly a week after Ocala. No one is naming names. If you did, that'd be the last news/rumor/gossip/ you'd get from your source. Happens daily in ******** and racing sure acts political at times. If a team were to be penalized and went wing racing after they stated they were running a full USAC schedule we'll know about it. If said team is not penalized and runs USAC then no one gets any flack as no names were mentioned. As previously mentioned, Hunter's laptop has all the names.

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They can go wing racing, and get tested again.

Originally Posted by addictedtodirt:
Last I checked freedom of speech was still a thing so no keeping it to myself. I reiterated the same info I got from a crew member nearly a week after Ocala. No one is naming names. If you did, that'd be the last news/rumor/gossip/ you'd get from your source. Happens daily in ******** and racing sure acts political at times. If a team were to be penalized and went wing racing after they stated they were running a full USAC schedule we'll know about it. If said team is not penalized and runs USAC then no one gets any flack as no names were mentioned. As previously mentioned, Hunter's laptop has all the names.

Or maybe they used the Donald strategy destroyed the evidence and stopped up the toilet.

Originally Posted by addictedtodirt:
Last I checked freedom of speech was still a thing so no keeping it to myself. I reiterated the same info I got from a crew member nearly a week after Ocala. No one is naming names. If you did, that'd be the last news/rumor/gossip/ you'd get from your source. Happens daily in ******** and racing sure acts political at times. If a team were to be penalized and went wing racing after they stated they were running a full USAC schedule we'll know about it. If said team is not penalized and runs USAC then no one gets any flack as no names were mentioned. As previously mentioned, Hunter's laptop has all the names.

Freedom of speech occurs between two people. It is not necessarily free on a message board that someone else runs. There is a BIG difference there. If you are worried about losing “your source” then it makes me wonder if they are telling the truth in the first place. Be a real man and stand behind your words instead of being a keyboard jockey in your mommy’s basement


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Originally Posted by captrat:
Or maybe they used the Donald strategy destroyed the evidence and stopped up the toilet.

Remember this post the next time you complain about somebody else introducing ******** into this forum. I know I will.

Originally Posted by racefan20:
Freedom of speech occurs between two people. It is not necessarily free on a message board that someone else runs. There is a BIG difference there. If you are worried about losing “your source” then it makes me wonder if they are telling the truth in the first place. Be a real man and stand behind your words instead of being a keyboard jockey in your mommy’s basement


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Your Tapatalk is writing checks you can't cash. Be patient. It'll all come out or be swept away.

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Originally Posted by addictedtodirt:
Your Tapatalk is writing checks you can't cash. Be patient. It'll all come out or be swept away.

And it will come out or be swept away with or without your rumor mongering Matt. I can cash any check I write unfortunately when you hide behind rumors without a single thing to back it up YOU are the one writing checks you cant cash. Go ahead and back it up I am waiting. At least I have the stones to put my name on my posts.