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You wonder if EVERY track WANTS this though? At some point you gota wonder if all this instant info affects ticket and even video feed sales...

Re: Xtreme Outlaw Series Sprints. Monday - Volusia. 37 signe
 

Casey Shuman, WRG and Xtreme non wing series out of the gate...

Impressive

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It was a good show. Hope tonight is as good. It was cold but we've endured worse at Volusia in the past.

It's only one night but I would concur that if this show is any indication gong forward USAC has legitimate competition in the wingless sprint division. As a spectator I'm concerned with the overall health of wingless :27: sprint car racing and if this new division enhances the genre' overall then we're all for it. Nice job right out of the box, Casey!

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I used to think so, but I think this has become more of an excuse for a smaller crowd than anything else. I don't think this deters or keeps anyone from actually going to the track. The people that are content with seeing live feeds and/or periodic standings and results were probably never really motivated to go to the track anyway. The things that get actual race fans to show up in person don't translate well through a twitter feed or video screen.

Winged sprints at Volusia had an SRO crowd Saturday and I saw people Saying the late models at East Bay had bigger crowds than they can remember. Anyone arguing streaming is hurting attendance is making excuses for bad promotion.

I guess I was watching something different, because the race I watched, the USAC guy’s made the show!

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and just like that. The Blue Oval buries the bowtie in the first Xtreme Outlaw Series Race.
Blue Oval won first WoO of year too.

RIP Bowtie :)

💯 I absolutely agree.

Re: Xtreme Outlaw Series Sprints. Monday - Volusia. 37 signe
 

Car count of 37.... not bad at all
I wonder how many will show up for USAC races?

Re: Xtreme Outlaw Series Sprints. Monday - Volusia. 37 signe
 

Me too!

i grew up watchn and love big blocks, but they absolutely did not need to be there last night for practice, not with the cold weather. but i will say i was pleasantly surprised with car count for extreme sprints, heats were very good, feature was descent, few more laps would have been interesting, congrats to Leary. Also congrats to Casey Shuman and extreme team for a great 1st night.

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Had 43 tell us of their intentions to run at Ocala. Entry list was put out last week.

http://usacracing.com/component/k2/i...cala-feb-17-19

Re: Xtreme Outlaw Series Sprints. Monday - Volusia. 37 signe
 

I thought it was a pretty good races. Thought the heat races were not that great, but not every baseball game ends 3-2. I didn't really care for the format. Don't know that it made for better racing. It proved that Volusia can be racy for non wing. I also thought Klepper and Gibson worked well together.

Bacon was in the #98 not his usual #69 HAR car.

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And evidently he will be Giles car tonight after his injury.

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Nice to see no single car qualifying. A waste of time,tires, and fuel as well as unnecessary wear on the surface. The faster cars in hot laps were inverted and the points were earned because of passing. Not just getting to a spot to relay on the aforementioned boring time trials. This format will allow for a variety of guys to be up front throughout the year. I won’t be the same five or six teams who spend the most money on a two lap setup. Kudos to them for being different. Now if only they would adopt double file restarts it would be even more extreme. ��

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Thats great! :23:

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That was a great thing for them to let Bacon drive their car, after their mechanical failure led to his wreck the nite before, & injured their driver.
When he finished 2nd he seemed really grateful... very cool :8:

I thought Volusia was great both nights for the new series.

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I disagree with everything you posted. As a fan, I like to watch single car qualifying and don't want to see the same seven to ten cars on the track three different times. (Hot laps, Qualifying and Heat) also double file restarts breed more cautions and allow someone to game the system if it's a one groove track.

Re: Xtreme Outlaw Series Sprints. Monday - Volusia. 37 signe
 

I personally don't think we need the double file restart gimmick. Let NASCAR and the Outlaws be that extreme.

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Happy New year Chuck. Glad to see I can count on you and Brent to keep ringing the we always did it that way so that’s how it should be bell. Might be why the incumbent sanction keeps losing more and more of its teams. Run the same tired show and pay low purses. Got it.
Gaming the system because it’s a one groove track. That’s a new one. If it’s a one groove track whether it’s too heavy or rubber down, then the racing sux. Clearly the perception of quality racing is different for us because at no time would I walk away happy with one groove racing in the A. It’s as dumb as watching one car at a time racing against nothing. Unfortunately the gimmick as it is being called has worked out, for if it caused so many extra cautions it would have gone back to the old boring way. One can hope that we progress like others.

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It seems to me that one advantage group qualifying by heat, then lining up the feature by points, is that you lessen the effect of changing track conditions because everyone in your heat had the same track conditions.

Why stop there! Let's add Mid race fuel stops, Stage racing and a Australian Pursuit?

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I like the fact that Extreme Sprint division would try something different from the same old TT/Heats/Feature concept and go with a Group deal.....Maybe they do not stick with this going forward, but at least try it and see how the drivers, teams and fans react to it. I have always been against the double file restarts because I was not sure the race directors and teams could all get on the same page night in and night out, and that it would drag out the program. I am open to the idea if it can be done efficiently and it makes the racing better night in and night out.

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Did anyone else notice that over the 2 nights of racing, I do not recall one race start being called back because a driver jumped the start??..I assume because the drivers knew there was no MULLIGAN pass?? It will be interesting to see if this is the case Thursday-Saturday in Ocala.

We called back and put one car back. Everyone did a good job both nights.

I was good either way, but I didn't like restarts because of knowing it was a good way to tear up a lot of equipment, I really preferred the cone, but not everyone seemed to understand it.

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Thought Tuesday was run off real well. Considering a lot of cars, and some untimely rain

Let me get this straight. You think qualifying is boring. You think single file restarts are boring. You say the whole program is "tired and old". I'll tell you what I think is tired, old and boring: your incessant criticism of everything USAC does.

No worries. That’s why this is a board for discussion and opinion. If I was the only one who felt the way I do then there would not be a challenger to what is tired,old, and boring.

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I've seen it many times over the years. 40 cars. one of the first five lays down a killer lap. about 20 cars you think the tracks done nobody can touch fast time and the 39th guy comes out and lays a lap that's fast time or top five.

To me that's a statement, One car, Two laps You're a hero or zero or somewhere in between but everyone's eyes were on you, the fan heard the drivers name, the sponsor, car owner, type chassis and motor of YOUR CAR without the distraction of four or five other cars on the track.

I actually like the split which also keeps cars in similar track conditions. My only problem with USAC is sometimes it isn't that big of a show. Three heats, no consi if a low car count or only four heats and one consi with a big car count. (Nothing I can do about it and probably not much USAC can either but come feature time There's fifteen that could win any night on any track. would love to see sprint week go five heats, take three and two consi's take three. But the racings great most times anyway.

Many years ago at a sprint week race at Gas City, a mini typhoon came through just before starting time. After a relatively short delay and a few somewhat tentative hot lap sessions they were ready to qualify. Eric Shively was first out and as he finished his second lap I looked at the guy sitting next me and said "well I got my money's worth". The first non-winged race I ever attended was the '99 sprintweek race at Bloomington. The second car out flipped. Then the fourth car out flipped and I remember thinking 'these guys are crazy'!

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Over fifty years ago my dad and uncle took me to the burg and a few other tracks. fifty something years later we still look at each other and say they're crazy. Tracks have changed, cars have changed, But they're still the baddest thing on dirt.

I’ve been going to sprint car races since 1979 and have seen winged and non-wing and just about every format you can dream up. My favorite is the old standard with normal single car time trials. I don’t like the split either because fading track conditions sometimes cause top drivers to have to start at the back and it gives other drivers a better chance to finish up front. The top drivers are the ones who complained enough to get that pushed through. They got what they wanted and the same 6 guys finish up front and the fans don’t like it. Same with inverting 6 in heats instead of 8. Now half of them went the way of the wing and I say see ya. I will now be a fan of the ones who take their place. USAC has more money up for grabs this year than ever. I think they’ll be fine and hopefully the bashers on here find someplace else to go because the USAC bashing is getting really tired, old and boring.

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The sport has evolved in the past 40 years. Any time you have evolution you must continue to change and adapt to current times to meet the situation. We can belabor "how it used to be" and the fact of the matter is its now how it used to be. The disparity in equipment has changed vastly and all these cars are now so equal now that has created a situation of adaption for the formats. Fast cars will always be fast because they are well equipped in every aspect of their program, but to say that we don't need to adapt is not a good view point.

Years ago, Kinser could draw a 70 pill at the Knoxville Nationals and be quick time. That won't happen today, he might be top 5 at best if the track was greasy early and got faster, but most likely a top 10 would be fantastic. On the flip side you have a car draw a top 5 pill and lay down a super fast lap and they won't pass a soul all week, but yet their week is made due to cutting one lap. You see it every year. One lap wonders. Is that racing or qualifying? The inversion being cut shouldn't make much of a difference the cars that would be on the front were slow and in the way anyways. Putting them in the back really shouldn't matter as they would get passed and would be non factors in the outcome of the program.

If you don't adapt you die and you can see that you favorite organization is being forced to adapt right now as there is a new "experimental" program in town with a bigger bankroll that can provide competition and provide for a decent living. Just do a recent search of companies that were once Fortune 500 and now no longer in business because they didn't adapt to the growth and evolution of things. If you have the ostrich syndrome you won't last long..... USAC has made very few adaptation over the years with any real changes. Maybe in the mid 80's with experimental promotors option, which has been mentioned on this board a few times. At the end of the day the program really isn't any different than it was in the 70's and that isn't always a good thing.

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[QUOTE=Kart#51;549176]The sport has evolved in the past 40 years. Any time you have evolution you must continue to change and adapt to current times to meet the situation. We can belabor "how it used to be" and the fact of the matter is its now how it used to be. The disparity in equipment has changed vastly and all these cars are now so equal now that has created a situation of adaption for the formats. Fast cars will always be fast because they are well equipped in every aspect of their program, but to say that we don't need to adapt is not a good view point.

Years ago, Kinser could draw a 70 pill at the Knoxville Nationals and be quick time. That won't happen today, he might be top 5 at best if the track was greasy early and got faster, but most likely a top 10 would be fantastic. On the flip side you have a car draw a top 5 pill and lay down a super fast lap and they won't pass a soul all week, but yet their week is made due to cutting one lap. You see it every year. One lap wonders. Is that racing or qualifying? The inversion being cut shouldn't make much of a difference the cars that would be on the front were slow and in the way anyways. Putting them in the back really shouldn't matter as they would get passed and would be non factors in the outcome of the program.

If you don't adapt you die and you can see that you favorite organization is being forced to adapt right now as there is a new "experimental" program in town with a bigger bankroll that can provide competition and provide for a decent living. Just do a recent search of companies that were once Fortune 500 and now no longer in business because they didn't adapt to the growth and evolution of things. If you have the ostrich syndrome you won't last long..... USAC has made very few adaptation over the years with any real changes. Maybe in the mid 80's with experimental promotors option, which has been mentioned on this board a few times. At the end of the day the program really isn't any different than it was in the 70's and that isn't always a good thing

Huh, my memory says with a big field, Half the field was on the trailer before a heat was held back then.. Qualify, Hooligan if you didn't qualify well and on the trailer if you didn't make top two of Hooligan. Now they at least get a chance to transfer from a heat and seven spots from the consi..

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Heat Race winners being able to improve their Feature starting position is a rather new thing in USAC. And Charles is correct that many USAC shows used to put cars on the trailer before the Heat races.

To say that USAC doesn't adapt and evolve makes me think that maybe YOU are the ostrich.

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And now there aren't enough cars to worry about running non qualifier races. Why show up when only the top 32 make the field?
Organic attrition created an adaption, see my point? Now you get guys that will come and know they get at least a heat and B main.

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Where are car counts going up in the last 15 years? Knoxville used to get 90 cars for each qualifying nights. Doesn't mean it's still not a great event