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Good for Landon.

Interesting the article writer uses the name dash vehicles instead of traditional or non-wing sprint cars.

INDIANAPOLIS – Landon Simon is the primary competitor to announce commitments to the newly fashioned Xtreme Outlaw Collection, releasing Saturday night he’ll run each dash automobile and midget excursions.

Landon Simon Racing, with help from East Mountain Transport, will marketing campaign the True North Hashish, Lucas Oil Merchandise No. 24 DRC full-time with Xtreme Outlaw Collection.

World Racing Group CEO Brian Carter introduced the creation of the collection Sunday afternoon on the Efficiency Racing Business present in Indianapolis.

“WRG leads the dirt-track racing world,” Simon began in a press release. “Their new involvement in conventional dash vehicles and midgets is very thrilling for my workforce and companions. Competing beneath the Outlaw banner is a dream come true for any racer.”

Simon, 32, earned the Powri Lucas Oil WAR Wild Card Dash Automobile championship in 2018. He has owned and operated Landon Simon Racing since 2014, competing in quite a lot of USAC, BOSS, MSCS, POWRi and numerous different collection’ races over time in dash vehicles and midgets.

The newly created collection will likely be guided by Casey Shuman, a veteran dash automobile and midget racer who continues to serve his fourth 12 months because the World of Outlaws Morton Buildings Late Mannequin Collection director.

“I’m dedicated to following this journey beneath the lead of Casey Shuman and WRG,” Simon mentioned. “I’m trying ahead to what the long run holds.”

Throughout the inaugural marketing campaign, a number of occasions for each collection will help preexisting World of Outlaws NOS Vitality Drink Dash Automobile Collection or World of Outlaws Late Mannequin occasions.

Each collection will function a 10-15 race schedule with a mixed level fund approaching $100,000 obtainable in 12 months one.

The Xtreme Outlaw Dash Vehicles will debut at Volusia Speedway Park Feb. 14-15, in Barberville, Fla.

he non-wing drivers will compete in a $5,000-to-win present on Monday and race for $10,000-to-win on Tuesday night time.

A whole Xtreme Outlaw Collection schedule will likely be launched at a later date.

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I-55 Ironman will be much more exciting now. Two more divisions to help out the person who gets the largest chunk of the purse ... the Hoosier tire dealer.

Calling it now Tyler Courtney jumps in a non-wing and dominates Volusia. If he doesn't do it Volusia is a Justin Grant type of track if USAC allows drivers to crossover.

That looks like Google translation of a Google translation.

https://www.speedsport.com/sprints-m...outlaw-series/
This may be a bit more readable.

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Yeah after I posted it I realized it was stolen from Speed Sport News. Sorry to them for not checking first.

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I believe this is all about DirtVision. Subscriptions have leveled off. They are attracting plenty of wing people, but without a doubt Flo and MAV have way more marquee events for late models. To grow they need a new product to draw people they don't have. That is all this is about.

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Have been following this development and will admit to some trepidation. We already suffer from the idea that more is better which often dilutes fields, spectators, etc. Another sanctioning body for top of the line non-wing will only exacerbate the problem of too many governing bodies and tracks going after the same participants and fans. Reading between the lines this, as others have stated, probably has much to do with streaming services, and at least some dissatisfaction with USAC. I have never known any sport to do better with competing leagues. Can you say USA/WoO, AFL/NFL, various attempts at competing with NHL, USAC/CART/IRL, NASCAR gobbling up everything in sight, etc. The eventual outcome is one group, usually the one with the most resources, devours or at least absorbs the dying remains of the others. I hope for the best, but am not sure it bodes well for the stability of non-wing racing.

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It's funny to me that there are so many posts about the state of non-winged sprint cars and how it should but isn't able to compete with winged cars in terms of attention, purses, etc.. Now you have the organization that helped create that divide now investing in the sport and everyone is "afraid".

There isn't room for 2 national tours but this won't be a true full time league. It's 10-15 races. If it's a precursor to the WoO taking over USAC, so be it, but it's not what this is for 2022. This is an organization with deep resources and good marketing investing in a form of racing that alot of people love, but can't seem to grow.

Enjoy it for what it is, which is the biggest thing to happen to this form of racing in many years.

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Why don't they just run some sprint car shows (nw) as part of their national championship? Woo that is. As for dirt vision, they are way overpriced compared to Flo and mavtv. Truly blessed that flo is so inexpensive for all they cover. I hope napcar doesn't ruin flo as they did to arca.

So 2 days after the announcement and still no statement from USAC ???

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Here's my take on the whole situation. I believe competition is good. It makes the established non-wing organization take notice and I was saying to a friend a couple of days before this all came out that USAC needed to step up and pay better purses in all their divisions and needed better marketing to be able to increase purses from top to bottom by attracting more sponsorship dollars. We know the World Racing Group can ***** up the sponsors and it is time for USAC to step up to the plate and meet the challenge. The purses especially in the midget division are poor and all the purses need to be improved without making the race fan pay for it all. It is time to beat the marketing drum and round up some big time sponsors to pay for the increased purses.

As far as some people saying that the non-wing drivers should not race lesser paying local shows my thoughts are that the ones who race for a living need to race whenever possible to pay the bills as 51 dates does not allow a person to race full time and feed a growing family. When nothing else is running and you have the equipment to do so they need to run and take in money for their families and also stay sharp behind the wheel to be able to be competitive when the sanctioned shows are run. I hope that the World Racing Group will provide more good paying opportunities for some of the best drivers in the country to make a decent living and keep them in non-wing sprint cars instead of them putting a foil on to run for the bigger money. Non-wing racing cannot continue to lose their drawing cards to winged racing because of smaller purses and less opportunity.

The World Racing Group will not play nice in the long run as is now witnessed in the DirtCar modifieds vs. STSS series and only the strongest and most innovative organizations will survive. Also I would hope that the format for the non-wing sprints and midgets will not be straight up starts with everything based on time trials. I personally like both USAC's and POWRi's different formats and would hope that something similar is used by WRG. And the last point I would like to make is it was mentioned that the non-wing sprints and midgets would run with other WRG divisions which will not produce the type of surface midwest fans are used to seeing our beloved non-winged divisions compete on. This could be the achilles heel of the WRG's venture into the non-wing arena. Black and slick is not the answer for good shows to be produced by the non-wing set.

Let the games begin!!!


Bruce Eckel

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Didn't they make announcements that day? One about point fund and bonuses, and one with Eldora. You were expecting a statement about another sanctioning body?

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USAC will not and really does not need to make a statement about that winged group. I do welcome more sprint car races as long as they all respect shows that are not in competition with each other.

“ Working in conjunction with POWRi and USAC to the extent possible and combining World Racing Group’s already established resources will allow us to expand the sport
and provide more entertainment for our fans.” Yes I would expect to hear a statement since they are “working in conjunction with each other.”

So, what has the World of Outlaws done to make racing better?

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I don't know about "better", but they kept it going & popularized it...

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I think that you are reading way too much into the statement. You are expecting a bunch of co-sanctioned events and cross promoting. When I read it, I believe that it simply means that they are going to try to avoid against promoting against their major events.

We have already seen that POWRi lost one of its big dates to the new series. POWRi used to have a large show during the Ironman 55.

Very well said Bruce.

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IMHO NOTHING: Sure they take about ten of among the best teams and drivers around the country. But most of the major events either existed before WoO or were not WoO events to begin with. In fact it's restricted many of them to WoO only. There used to be USAC and All Star shows before the Kings Royal and the Royal itself as unsanctioned.

Nothing's pleased me more in the last few years than seeing non regulars come in and beat em and beat em often. Larson, Bell, Courtney and most of those that do have logged tens of thousands of laps in USAC sprints or midgets. Heck they've been doing it to NASCAR for years.

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If the WRG really wanted to take over the top level of non-wing sprint car racing, all they would have to do is make their non wing shows a point paying part of the World of Outlaws Sprint Car Title. Only time will tell how this all plays out, but from the way it sounds, this is merely a side show to their current product.

Ah the old "USAC guys show the wing guys how to get it done" fantasy. Which ignores that many of the drivers held up as examples started in wing cars, went to USAC, dominated, and returned to wing cars. Don't forget Brad Sweet, you guys had him to for a while, so beat your chest that a non wing guy is a 3 time WoO champion. The non wing superiority crowd are as bad as the old Posse crowd on hoseheads.

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I was thinking that one over for awhile, 55 my friend.

Racing aside, they PROMOTED it better. Rev Jim is kind of saying that, too (Right, Jim?). But it really has NOTHING to do with the racing product in itself.

Let's roll back to the early, early 80s when ESPN came around. They picked up the sports that the networks would not bother with: NCAA Basketball (a huge boon for them), the NHL, and racing - NASCAR and USAC. NASCAR prospered and took off like a rocket while USAC started to, but then plateaued out. Subsequently NASCAR went on to WTBS, TNN, etc., while USAC was pretty much given the ESPN arse for things like baseball.

WoO came about on the air on TNN in the early 90s. Remember the Slick 50 Sprint Car World Series from Manzanita and then Canyon Raceway in Arizona? During the Winter. What a brainstorm! All NASCAR fans were looking for something to watch and they got that. WoO got their product in the spotlight until they were tossed by TNN for NASCAR's "Supertruck Series" and NASCAR's $$$. <--- Always remember that link - NASCAR and $$$.

Winged cars have HUGE places to affix sponsorship logos. I can remember in the 90s you had Kinser in the Valvoline, then Quaker State car, Sammy ran the Hooters banner, Haud the Pennzoil banner, Andy Hillenburg STP, and Freddie Raemer in the Apple car. No one had any idea WHAT the Apple car was, but you could sure see it on your TV at all times when he was racing it in Arizona. USAC non-wing cars do not have that much signage space. A disadvantage. But your new(er) fans need that sponsor/car colors/driver link to stay in touch with what they are watching. Don't even get me going on the number of black non-wing sprints and midgets. I'd be more than happy to donate some paint to some of the tracks.

So, WoO just got onboard at the right time with the right look.

Now..... let's push the "I Believe Button" and take MAV-TV, Flo, and DirtVision and toss them into the mix back in the late 80s, early-mid 90s to give the viewing audience a look at all of the aspects of racing - both types of sprints, late models, dirt, asphalt, etc. The racing situation may have been SOOOOOO different with all of that at the fingertips of us fans and who knows WHO would have prospered. With this scenario, at least non-wing sprints would have had a little footing to show on the TV as the WoO did in real 90s world. TNN only had so much time for sprints, and WoO took it all. USAC was left outside looking in.

We can all agree that the non-wings are great. I'll watch both. It is/was all in the promotion of the product, though in my opinion.

I've gone on long enough. I hope everyone on the forum is in good spirits, good health, and good states of minds. I have brats to grill and cheap beers to drink on my day off here. Looking forward to the Chili Bowl. :32:

Don't mind double file restarts. Hate straight up starts. That's why I don't attend their shows.

Double file restarts are like getting a pass to cut in line at the ticket booth, or ignoring the merge, lane ends due to construction sign.

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Ignoring that lane ends merge deal really tries my patience, that's why I drive a beater tank.:31: post was a reply to captrat

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Way to twist what I said to strictly Wing NW and that we hate one another. By that measure I guess them thousands of laps in quarter midgets and karts were winged too?

Im saying the USAC has launched careers and if WoO is the Career, So be it. But so many (With tons of Non wing and midget experience) went on to even bigger things and some beat the WoO at their own game. Blaney is the only one I can think of that was full time WoO that had major success elsewhere. I know Gravel ran a crown race and did well. I just like divirsity. Always said a good caution free Winged race is as good as any other. But the heats with exceptions are ten cars qualifying with little chance at advancing.

I used to eat it up. Went to about ten kings royals, the Doty's went to attica, freemont. limaland. Ohio Sprint week. Eldora anniversary races. HBO's. Then it struck me, Speed isn't everything. I've been to dozens of USAC shows where the third row won a heat or finished second with many of them being three of the four heats that had that happen.

Others said, WoO is marketed better. Guess so, A third of the cost of a show is marketing. USAC maybe 10%

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Be careful what you wish for. NASCAR was a semi regional series in the 80's. It got big in the 90's. It became the place to be. Prices went up, forcing out grass root fans. Think of all the tracks that used to run the Outlaws. They got priced out. As far as making the sport more popular, I don't think short track racing will ever be as popular as it was during the post WWII era. Midgets were racing in front of 100,000 people at places like the Rose Bowl and Soldier field. Kokomo back then would draw 17,000 for races. It was cheap entertainment, drivers made good money and raced 7 nights a week in many areas. Be careful what you wish for.

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Before the Outlaws we could watch sprint cars 3 nights a weeklocally with B mains and pick our tracks. Then promoters never knew if cars would show up or go chase the golden carrot the outlaws dangled. The cost skyrocketed because of the Outlaws and locals couldn't compete or afford it but by the time they figured it out the promoters had given up on them and weekly racing was dead for years. Then came the 360's to keep the cars local. And before long the ASCS came into being and it all started over again. Then came 305's...........
A local promoter took a chance and started runing non wing cars. Parks cars got pulled out and B mains were the norm. Then came WAR and a war developed. And again weekly racing disapeared and many who were fullfilling a bucket list dream got priced out.
And now we have the local USAC group and we wait to see who survives.

As has been said "be careful what you wish for"

I don't understand how adding them to the WoO championship helps anyone? This conversation is very interesting. I love sprint car racing, all types, but the non-wing crowd doesn't seem to like anything. You have the most successful race touring group/promotion in the country getting into your sport and people seem upset. Honestly USAC hasn't done anything to improve their status in decades, just status quo. It's still a regional series based out of Indiana. In both situations with WoO coming into non-wing racing and non-wing drivers leaving for tin tops the track promoters need to be looked at. Indiana tracks don't seem to want and step up for big time races. Whenever the wings go into Indiana it's almost always someone leasing the track for a show. The promoters don't seem to want to have big time races.

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I never said that it helps anyone. My point was that if the WRG/WoO wanted to take over non wing sprint car racing, they could very easily do it and all it would take to get started would be to make some non wing shows a part of their championship points. Combine that with their superior marketing and USAC would soon be a distant second as a sanctioning body. I much prefer to watch a non wing sprint car show, but the level of promotion along with the atmosphere and pageantry/hype that happens at a WoO show is far superior to anything I have ever seen at a non-wing show.

Too many Indiana tracks competing for the same piece of pie & too many Indiana promoters willing to schedule AGAINST a big time race. You also have some Indiana fans that would rather go to their local track & watch a $15 show vs. paying $10-15 more for a big time race that they can watch the next day on Flo.

Why would/should a track promoter book an event that they don’t feel confident they can make a profit at (or even break even)?

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There's about a seventy to eighty thousand dollar difference. Lot easier to break even or make a profit at 30k expense than 100k plus.

I understand there's a difference in cost, but that's my point. The Indiana tracks aren't interested in gambling to improve and just willing to collect their checks. That's what has led you to this situation. Every other area in the country are begging for WoO and ASCoC shows, because they bring fans and big time teams. I find it hard to believe Indiana can't support a higher level of Sprint car racing.

I'm sorry but I don't think adding non-wings to the WoO championship would do anything positive. I would just confuse the customer. WRG has the right idea start out small and see what kind of support you get. They need teams, tracks, and fans to make this work. Not many Sprint car teams will want to run both styles for a championship.

I honestly find this very interesting and hoPe everything works out for the best.

In my opinion wingless RACING is a superior product to wing. And USAC is the premier group. We all would love for everyone to get rich promoting and competing, but it’s probably not going to work that way. I personally don’t think anything needs to change there. It’s always going to be my first choice to spend my racing budget on. Unfortunately the truth is Wings are way more popular for whatever reason. And I’m not a wing hater. I’m curious to see what the new group does. I seriously doubt they will improve the RACING. Especially when this group will be second fiddle to their existing series

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This might be a plan to get the traditional sprint car drivers/racing the exposure and payouts that would be catching up to wing and late model status. Someone needs to take the plan to the next level so the drivers and car owners don't keep jumping from the ship. WOO can do that. SUPPORT THE DRIVERS GETTING PAID TO MAKE A LIVING RACING! Not just getting by on hobby/30 yr old purses!

Good post. USAC is definitely the big dog in this situation, but WRG has proven they can get it done. Competition is good for the sport. As far as the better racing, I'm not gonna get into that. I like both products and see positive and negative with both.

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Stockon and McDougal confirmed to follow the new group.

I still like beer, ladies,and civil discourse not laced with accusatory, unsupported broad generalizations. 🤔

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I give them credit. They get people to commit before they see a schedule.