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I understand the passionate responses for both sides. But, there is also some evidence that the number of cases and fatalities are not accurate. What does that say to anyone that wants to use unsubstantiated numbers . With all of the various flu cases experienced every year and all of the fatal accidents experienced every year; many question the effectiveness of getting flu shots and they are not mandated. How many bars are located in the middle of nowhere so it its impossible to get there without driving. No statistics of how many crippling accidents were cause by their patrons. Meanwhile big companies have parking lots that look like Christmas. Not so for the mom and pop stores. I have to wonder how many of he NO respondents have not seen a pay check since this all started. I say live and let live. I want to get my hair cut (probably pay double for the other one that I missed) and I want to take my family out to dinner. And I want to get back to racing. I have no problem getting my temperature checked and am not afraid to have dinner at a table next to others with no temperature. I would never go into a store with a temp or sick and take a chance of causing somebody else to have a problem. I want my America back and there will be no apologies from me for that. God bless America and lets get back to living like we belong here.

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National Weekly Covid-19 Infection Averages:

Last Week- 25,667/day
2 Weeks Ago- 28,600/day
3 Weeks Ago- 31,919/day
4 Weeks Ago- 29,023/day
5 Weeks Ago- 31,965/day
6 Weeks Ago- 27,837/day

As of 7PM 5/11/2020 there have been 1,384,033 total confirmed infections in the United States. As of the 2010 census there was 328,000,000 people in the USA. That gives you an infection rate of 0.4%. Also does not include recovered or deceased.

Sorry, but I'm not willing to live my life on a fraction of 1%.

LIVE LIFE WFO!

Heck yeah. We’re down for going racing.

If we feel we should be wearing masks, we will wear one. If wearing a mask is required, we’ll probably choose to wear a mask and see some racing.

If we feel we should social distance ourselves from others then we’ll do that. I will not social distance myself from the ice cream machine though. 😉

Hope everyone is doing well! We hope to see you all soon!

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Originally Posted by wildman92:
Heck yeah. We’re down for going racing.

If we feel we should be wearing masks, we will wear one. If wearing a mask is required, we’ll probably choose to wear a mask and see some racing.

If we feel we should social distance ourselves from others then we’ll do that. I will not social distance myself from the ice cream machine though. 😉

Hope everyone is doing well! We hope to see you all soon!

Eating ice cream with a mask on,your gonna be a mess

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No not until there is testing and tracking for every one in my community and that is not yet happening in the State of Indiana. Until this occurs, I will keep my distance from you yes men out there.

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Just a brief moment of levity.

https://www.indianaopenwheel.com/att...1&d=1589240349

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my wife and i just went out to eat today, first time in a while we have been allowed to sit down in a restaurant. enjoyed every minute of it. and as soon as i can go racing, i will.

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I am high risk...i will not live in fear..if our tracks opened tomorrow i would be there without hesitation.

I will evaluate each race date as necessary. If a track is only allowing “x” many spectators and I am traveling interstate highways to get there, will probably pass as I’m sure locals will mark seats days in advance. Depends on series running and support classes too. Not interested in these 2am feature start time programs. I have no problem social distancing and masks don’t scare me one bit. Actually will keep your face a bit cleaner. Hopefully we will get to see some of you all this year.

I am high risk, not due to age but to an underlying condition. I would not jeopardize my health or the health of others for entertainment.

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Originally Posted by skids59:
Absolutely yes. As it stands right now the state of Missouri is setting the example, it appears. I'm with Andrew S. to some level, about burn out. We still check the weather religiously and had planned on going this weekend to Lake Ozark speedway but I think mother nature will win this one. I agree with Mr. Short and pray we haven't been used as pawns for the feds to bail us out here in Illinois.

I had been looking at Lake Ozark for awhile for a new track,but the thought of driving 6 hours or so to get there for one race really isnt worth it to me anymore. Still been hoping to get back to Pevely for another USAC race. I waited a long time for the first one and it lived up to my expectations,so I'd go to another one no problem. Even then it'd be nice to have another race to go to to make the traveling worthwhile.

Hope all is well over there,havent seen you folks in ages.....

I haven't missed a day of work during this #dempanic being I was deemed an essential worker. That said, you open a track up and I'll call off sick from work and be there. Racing isn't just "a bunch of people turning left" as it is an addiction to the sights, sounds, smells of the atmosphere of the track and just a group of some the best damn people you'll ever know.

Depends on where you get your facts and numbers.

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I consulted my thesaurus...LOL!...BTW,I need to return to work first...;)

Originally Posted by Andrew S. Quinn:
Where did you come up with a word like visceral Racenut? I know that word is way out of your vocabulary:D:D:D


I won’t go, but that’s more due to burnout than any other reason. I no longer look at the weather 21 times a day on race day or text Bob & Monica for a trackside weather report, but I used to when I had the racing bug bad.


I did go to a cruise in on Saturday night, and there were more cars and people than I have ever seen there. I did take note there were lots of older people missing. They are the ones that own older muscle cars and the like. Quite a few in my age group ( late 50’s) and quite a few in younger age groups. Lots of newer cars, Mustangs, Challengers, Camaros etc.

I didn’t mind going there, as I could keep distanced for the most part. I have hand sanitizer in my old truck and gloves, more for refueling than anything else. I’m also an essential employee working alone now mostly for social distancing, and I have all the above in my work truck too.

Originally Posted by SoIllSprinter:
I am high risk, not due to age but to an underlying condition. I would not jeopardize my health or the health of others for entertainment.

I’m not sure i understand... Are you advocating for tracks to ban cigarettes, alcohol, low nutrition foods like cheeseburgers and ice cream or just the sale of pit passes to the general public?

The problem with self-righteousness is that eventually, it makes a hypocrite of us all.

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Wall to wall seating like the Kings Royal? No.

Regular show where at most tracks you have some elbow room. Hell yes.

I got every risk factor there is and you got no clue what's going to get you and win.

I'd rather die having lived, Than die sitting around rotting inside of worry, fear and loneliness. Other than NYC area the death rate of those who get it is about 1-100,000 who get it. I don't know why some people get so bad and apparently neither do the doctors While risk factors are a player, That's not what's making some people's immune systems overreact and drown the with pneumonia.

You are never safe. Flu about got me two years ago when about 84,000 died of it 2017-18 and nothing was shut down, never even made the news other than a few schools shut down for a couple weeks here and there. You are never safe, I see friends and family battle cancer for years and even had a friend who it took him in 3 months flat.at 22 years old.

Come memorial day with high temps and humidity. The bug is almost nontransferable unless you sit together in a air condition room.

Im not a doctor, But I can say. This stay at home crap isn't living. And they have people so scared, they won't go to the Dr. They are finding people at their homes dead from heart attacks, strokes and flu because either they were too scared to go or the dr.s wouldn't see them in person.

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Originally Posted by davidm:
I would go! I went To Lincoln the week before the lock down. If not for the lock down I'd not have missed a single race.

I was there too & had fun. But the virus probably hadn't gotten to South Central Pa. yet. I went a crowded dance in Philly the night before. Nobody got sick. We were lucky! :)

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Originally Posted by racer-x:
I would go in a second and I haven’t been scared since the start of it. My job is still going good and like others said I’m not going to live life in fear! I think it’s a damn shame this country has turned into a bunch of sissy’s like half of them have turned into! More people die in car accidents then they do from this virus and we didn’t take everyone’s keys away.

Some of you guys are bragging about how brave you are & calling others "living in fear" or "sissies". What you refuse to see is that asymptomatic people can carry the virus & infect others. You might feel perfectly OK, & then kill your family members, friends, or co-workers. I'm perfectly willing to defend myself against other humanoids. You can't punch out a virus... GET IT??? :41::

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Originally Posted by revjimk:
Some of you guys are bragging about how brave you are & calling others "living in fear" or "sissies". What you refuse to see is that asymptomatic people can carry the virus & infect others. You might feel perfectly OK, & then kill your family members, friends, or co-workers. I'm perfectly willing to defend myself against other humanoids. You can't punch out a virus... GET IT??? :41::

My thoughts exactly. 5 weeks ago I would have said I'm going no matter what. now after watching my wife fight this sickness for a month and just now starting to feel better, no way. She had not been anywhere for close to 4 weeks before catching it ( working from home). Tested positive after feeling symptoms for 5 days. She works for UC Health, tested asap. Most likely source was me. Asymptomatic. For now I will just keep memories of Stanbrough at Kokomo, Clayton at Haubsaudt, trip to Lincoln in PA and others in my head. when the coast is clear, then I will be at the track

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i am guessing everyone on this site likes going to the track, might not agree when. i do know one thing, if this economy doesn't get going, there won't be much racing to go to.

Originally Posted by Charles Nungester:
Wall to wall seating like the Kings Royal? No.

Regular show where at most tracks you have some elbow room. Hell yes.

I got every risk factor there is and you got no clue what's going to get you and win.

I'd rather die having lived, Than die sitting around rotting inside of worry, fear and loneliness. Other than NYC area the death rate of those who get it is about 1-100,000 who get it. I don't know why some people get so bad and apparently neither do the doctors While risk factors are a player, That's not what's making some people's immune systems overreact and drown the with pneumonia.

You are never safe. Flu about got me two years ago when about 84,000 died of it 2017-18 and nothing was shut down, never even made the news other than a few schools shut down for a couple weeks here and there. You are never safe, I see friends and family battle cancer for years and even had a friend who it took him in 3 months flat.at 22 years old.

Come memorial day with high temps and humidity. The bug is almost nontransferable unless you sit together in a air condition room.

Im not a doctor, But I can say. This stay at home crap isn't living. And they have people so scared, they won't go to the Dr. They are finding people at their homes dead from heart attacks, strokes and flu because either they were too scared to go or the dr.s wouldn't see them in person.

What empirical evidence can you cite to support that this novel virus is not transferable in higher temperatures?

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Originally Posted by captrat:
What empirical evidence can you cite to support that this novel virus is not transferable in higher temperatures?

That's a pretty hi tech question for a sprint car board :3: :5:

Yes. I'm not a *****. Home track in Iowa fires up a week from Friday and I'll be there. When my chances are better than 99% that I'll be fine, I'll take that. I don't blame anyone for wearing a mask or bringing hand sanitizer but staying home is BS.

I'll be there the first chance I get. Had tickets to Circus City until they were forced to cancel. Was thrilled at the idea of supporting a local track. Can't wait to get out and see and my fellow fans. Hell, first beer's on me! You just gotta find me.

Originally Posted by sw1911:
That's a pretty hi tech question for a sprint car board :3: :5:

Nah, sprint car folks come from a huge and varied demographic cross section of the population. 😁🍻

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When I was teenager, a long time ago. We went to a SOD race at the Ionia Michigan fairgrounds. At some point in the heat races, the track announcer said something like code 6259. Right after that was said about 20% of the guys in the stands stood up. You could hear them saying things like "I will ride with you". "Your wife can ride home with my wife". Things like that. The guys all left the races. What was code 6259? ( I am making up what the code number really was) The Ionia state prison had a major inmate uprising. It was so bad they called all off duty guards back to work. Just a funny story from the good old days. My dad made a observation that a lot of guards go to sprint car races. I also think Mike Shaw won that night.
The Fairgrounds is about 1/2 way between I-96 speedway and Crystal speedway. What that has to do with anything? Till it was cancelled, the Allstars sprints had a Friday May 15 race at I-96 then on to gas city and then the next night at Kokomo. So how many prison guards do you think would have been at the track that night? Here in Michigan as I type this we have had over 4,600 people die. Lets say the highest numbers of deaths was on the east side of the state, also at nursing homes, meat packing plants and prisons. Like to share a seat next to a prison guard this Friday at I-96?
Also in both directions from I-96 is a huge chicken egg producer with in a few miles of the track. The state is having a problem with the place because of the high rate of infected workers there. Maybe in the seats behind you at I96 an egg worker can sit.
So we have been taking, my friend from Detroit, another one that works at a prison, his brother that works at the meat packing plant, that guys brother-inlaw that works at a nursing home, on making a weekend of the allstar race. Hit all 3 of them. Maybe stop off at the Indian casino. Play some slots, black jack, craps. You know how guys are, so a trip to a strip club will happen at some point. Always funny how you have all the one dollar bills when you leave the place. Its ok we will use them at gas city. Odds are we will also sleep in the van one night. Whats it going to hurt to not shower for a day or so.
See you in line at Kokomo to buy tickets. If we are coughing a bit, it was just the smoke from the casino.

Originally Posted by captrat:
What empirical evidence can you cite to support that this novel virus is not transferable in higher temperatures?

Honestly, i’m a bit surprised how many have seemingly dismissed the concept of calculated risk. I really thought race fans, especially sprint car fans, would almost unequivocally say yes to the OP’s question. It’s all good though and i’m actually kinda glad to see it. Discussing differences can help us grow as people. My dad is over the age of 70 and is a cancer survivor so his choice like so many of you is to wait longer. Fully respect his decision and all others for that matter.

I am however going to challenge this question. I find it at disingenuous as you most likely already understand the term “novel” as it’s used from time to time with this current pandemic.

For those that don’t, “novel” coronavirus means “new or unknown”. By its very definition there hasn’t been enough time to establish “empirical” evidence by scientific standards about ANYTHING related to C19.

This is the reason Fauci was quick to criticize and slow the excitement of doctors across the country reporting a high success rate of hydroxychloroquine for C19.

Let’s talk about the strand. We know it’s mutating at an unprecedented pace adding to the challenges ahead. That said, it’s currently believed the strand in China was NOT the same strand in Europe/ Italy and is NOT the same strand in the USA and other parts of the world.

April 24 - you may remember it as the whole lysol UV light in your body press conference, early testing shows the half life of the virus was significantly reduced with exposure to sunlight. Earlier studies believed the vast vast majority of C19 viral transfers occurred between 37 - 69 degrees. Combined with earlier versions of coronaviruses known to falter in warm weather (reason we call it “flu season”), it looks promising so far. Even if you reference transfers in warm places like Singapore, i’ll re-reference the aforementioned mutation rate and differences from geographic region to region.

New research also suggests the virus transfer through soft surfaces like cloth/ clothing is almost nonexistent. So why did the CDC recently about face regarding cloth masks? Did the N95 stock suddenly fill to max capacity? nope... those preliminary findings came out, without scientific standards empirical evidence i might add.

This next part i may be a little sensitive since my grandpa ended his life by swallowing a rifle years ago, but i read an article from USA today estimating 75,000 suicides related to this pandemic. Isn’t that almost the C19 numbers? If we don’t find a way to test the waters and slow open this economy, what’s going to happen to that number? A vaccine is at least a year out and an indefinite wait and see period is an absolute farce. So when is the right time to test the waters? SOMEBODY HAS TO BE THE FIRST.

As far as taking it home to loved ones, i could go to a race on Saturday, self isolate for 3 days while taking hot showers and proper cleansing techniques, go to visit my cancer survivor dad while social distancing including the wearing of masks and have almost the exact same probability of transferring a virus as if i stayed home all week and only went to the grocery store once. But instead we’ve been programmed to believe from day 1 that a positive C19 case is the equivalent of a 1980’s HIV diagnosis and were all gonna die.

BTW, my heart truly does break for anyone that has fought this or lost anyone to it. I have a high school classmate who’s stepdad fully recovered but his mom did not.

So back to is there “empirical” evidence that opening the tracks are 100% safe or that warm weather will help? No, not yet. Is there sufficient evidence that there is a way to open tracks and effectively minimize risk? my risk calculator based on science says YES!!

Actually in a meeting with an official with IU Health about three weeks ago was the first time anyone in meetings I attend brought the notion that we may be dealing with multiple strains here ..and then the issue of mutation and staying on top of that is a challenge.

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Originally Posted by sw1911:
that's a pretty hi tech question for a sprint car board :3: :5:

Made my Day :5:

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Originally Posted by captrat:
What empirical evidence can you cite to support that this novel virus is not transferable in higher temperatures?

I didn't say Non Transferable. I said Virtually. Which means "MUCH LESS LIKELY"

https://www.fox4now.com/news/coronav...ad-of-covid-19

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Good to know we have so many scientist and doctors on this site. I feel safer already. Who da thunk..................

It's not about how willing you are to take chances, it's about NOT being a vector. If the disease runs out of hosts, it dies, then we can move on with a lot less heartache.

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No way 80,000 covid deaths, do some research.I know a nurse, works at a busy Jacksonville hospital, only 2 covid patients have shown up this whole time. People dying of lung cancer, and heart attacks are being listed as covid deaths, hospitals get 9k for a positive test, and 39k to put someone on a respirator. I don't know who, or what you are listening to, but your info is horribly wrong. Where I work we are averaging 900 walk in customers a day, all during this whole scare, not one employee out of our 4 stores has had a positive test, that is a lot of human contact. I can substantiate every thing I've just stated.

So, you are telling me that the refrigerator trucks filled with bodies outside NYC morgues was made up? And NYC didn't turn into a ghost town? That was all just a media ruse?

Originally Posted by Rhody:
So, you are telling me that the refrigerator trucks filled with bodies outside NYC morgues was made up? And NYC didn't turn into a ghost town? That was all just a media ruse?

I know that’s not directed to me but im not saying that at all. I do believe the major metro areas are grossly skewing the numbers. I would ask if anyone believes rural locations in the midwest should wait for the all clear in places like NYC and LA before resuming their lives, in part or in whole. Obviously, i’m a firm hell no. All i’m asking for is a case by case possibility and not the one size fits all blanket we keep getting caught in.

I read on the internet that the virus started in the Chinese factory that makes Sprint car frames. Some worker was eating a bat sandwich. Don't every crash one in a race. It is full of the virus. I should know I stayed at a holiday inn express last night.

Whispers from the corn,"If they schedule it I will go!"

I agree that the re-openings will vary by location, I just don't want to see everyone go back to business as usual on day one, then watch cases spike all over the country. Re-open once with a measured approach, rather than re-open willy nilly and see another spike and then shut down again. I just really want to be on the back side of this deal for good, and if staying away from people for another month does the job, I'm all for it. Plus we don't want to encourage someone to travel a long way to an event, and bring the virus with them. for that reason I'm good with the current PPV only races with limited fields.

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Originally Posted by wingless1:
No way 80,000 covid deaths, do some research.I know a nurse, works at a busy Jacksonville hospital, only 2 covid patients have shown up this whole time. People dying of lung cancer, and heart attacks are being listed as covid deaths, hospitals get 9k for a positive test, and 39k to put someone on a respirator. I don't know who, or what you are listening to, but your info is horribly wrong. Where I work we are averaging 900 walk in customers a day, all during this whole scare, not one employee out of our 4 stores has had a positive test, that is a lot of human contact. I can substantiate every thing I've just stated.

I can buy that, I look at the numbers every day, someone is making a pound over this, I should know, my wife is making masks, I think she's been at it a month, and has just about caught up at 6, 4 pd for, 2 to pick up today, and I still don't have one. But I do have a lot of the requirements needed, over 80, arthritis, loss of memory, and diabetes, which looks like has the lead.!