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14 minutes of racing per night, 6 car heats on a 1/2 mile, glad i was watching on flo as to not waist an entire weekend and travel ect... Would be great if flo picked up POWERI, they seem to have the midget program figured out!

One of the problems with midgets is the smaller teams can't compete with the super teams and their$90,000 dollar engine programs.anigher how much is a usac midget purse? How much to win per event? Usac has to do something I count at five drivers maybe more that bolted for wing country.boesplug wise schurnberg.change or die.

Originally Posted by ossuks:
14 minutes of racing per night, 6 car heats on a 1/2 mile, glad i was watching on flo as to not waist an entire weekend and travel ect... Would be great if flo picked up POWERI, they seem to have the midget program figured out!

I believe Speedshift has POWRI covered or at least they did last year with excellent coverage and Chet doing most of the announcing.

Originally Posted by luckybuc97:
I believe Speedshift has POWRI covered or at least they did last year with excellent coverage and Chet doing most of the announcing.

POWRi announced that they had signed a deal with Speed Sport and that the details would be released sometime before the season starts.

Jerry

Originally Posted by opnwhlmnd:
You had me at the 40 mods. To each is own. I will take 18 midgets over 35 wings every time.

Personal preference I guess, all I know is Volusia was PACKED, even on a Sunday and ocalas crowd was.....not very good maybe due to lack of cars, maybe due to winged cars 45 miles away I don’t know, the crowd sizes each night should say something

I was around when WoO ate USAC's lunch years ago. They stood by and made no effective changes. Feels like it has the potential to happen again. This time it could be POWRi. Probably will not happen overnight, but if the current program continues the future seems at best certainly problematic for midgets and potentially for sprint cars.

I went to bubba Saturday and Volusia Sunday. Throwing out travel, here’s my takeaway. Volusia is a top notch facility bubba is not. Volusia also has several other racing options throughout the month allowing them to bring in vendors for food etc. it has almost a fair feel which is a cool atmosphere. Bubba is kind of a **** hole. Based on, I believe a usac post, found on here saturdays start time was supposed to be 5:30. We showed up at 5:15 due to chilly weather And didn’t want to sit in it longer than necessary and cars were not on track until almost 6:45. once on track for unknown reasons they had 2 hot lap sessions for midgets. Sunday at Volusia it was made known that groups 1 and 2 were getting a 2nd hot lap session due to greasy track conditions. As far as the on track stuff I’d rather watch 20 midgets than 100 winged cars. The racing at Volusia was incredibly boring. They are fast, sure. But passing is minimal. If that’s your thing more power to you. I prefer to see action on the track. Bubba didn’t provide a lot of that either but still more than the outlaws did. Takeaway is USAC really needs to step up their show. WoO runs like clock work, even the support classes. With USAC everything is hum-ho all night. It literally feels like sometimes they are trying to drag the shows out due to lower car counts. My thought is on trips that have lower car counts, IE: Florida, PA, etc, why doesn’t USAC run the midgets and sprints the same night. Fixes the support class issue and gets you better quality racing for the fans. Then all they have to fix is running the program through and explaining to fans what’s going on. New fans don’t understand all the time with no cars on the track and nothing being said by the announcers.
All and all I still prefer USAC but can understand why the more common fan goes to WoO races.
Final thought, the $42 dollar general admission ticket for Volusia Sunday is ridiculous.

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It appears that any traveling USAC fans are from IN. Non retiree Fans getting or using 2 weeks vacation to watch 5 nights of non wing racing in FL I think is a lot to ask of a loyal fan base. Most save vacation for midget & sprint weeks, smackdown, etc. that are close to home with a cost savings. That also goes for most racing teams. Either USAC gets more nights on track for 2 weeks or we at least have Bubba RP with quality over quantity. USAC stayed loyal to Bubba RP and vice versa, but the All Stars and USCS 360 wings did not return this year. I hope we have the opportunity to sit on our cozy couch and ***** about the racing streaming live from Bubba RP in 2021. I applaud USAC and their teams for trying the midgets for a second season in FL, Bubba RP for the effort and comittment to put on a show for their fans and the tourists, FLO racing for giving us a racing fix in February, and to the all of the non wing fans who stay loyal to traditional non wing racing on dirt.

Originally Posted by Hamby454:
I went to bubba Saturday and Volusia Sunday. Throwing out travel, here’s my takeaway. Volusia is a top notch facility bubba is not. Volusia also has several other racing options throughout the month allowing them to bring in vendors for food etc. it has almost a fair feel which is a cool atmosphere. Bubba is kind of a **** hole. Based on, I believe a usac post, found on here saturdays start time was supposed to be 5:30. We showed up at 5:15 due to chilly weather And didn’t want to sit in it longer than necessary and cars were not on track until almost 6:45. once on track for unknown reasons they had 2 hot lap sessions for midgets. Sunday at Volusia it was made known that groups 1 and 2 were getting a 2nd hot lap session due to greasy track conditions. As far as the on track stuff I’d rather watch 20 midgets than 100 winged cars. The racing at Volusia was incredibly boring. They are fast, sure. But passing is minimal. If that’s your thing more power to you. I prefer to see action on the track. Bubba didn’t provide a lot of that either but still more than the outlaws did. Takeaway is USAC really needs to step up their show. WoO runs like clock work, even the support classes. With USAC everything is hum-ho all night. It literally feels like sometimes they are trying to drag the shows out due to lower car counts. My thought is on trips that have lower car counts, IE: Florida, PA, etc, why doesn’t USAC run the midgets and sprints the same night. Fixes the support class issue and gets you better quality racing for the fans. Then all they have to fix is running the program through and explaining to fans what’s going on. New fans don’t understand all the time with no cars on the track and nothing being said by the announcers.
All and all I still prefer USAC but can understand why the more common fan goes to WoO races.
Final thought, the $42 dollar general admission ticket for Volusia Sunday is ridiculous.

$42 is too high. as for the no passing Logan schuhart went from 25th to 5th in the feature that seems like a good amount of passing to me

Originally Posted by WingedFan2019:
$42 is too high. as for the no passing Logan schuhart went from 25th to 5th in the feature that seems like a good amount of passing to me

Logan Schuchart started 2nd and finished first.

Just have to ask if Ocala was so bad for you Friday why would you go again on Saturday? Just so you could bash USAC on a forum?

Some of the car count was from FMR Racing owner passing away. Lost J-Mac and Bacon there. The three car team that T-Mez drives for chose not to spend the money to come and I understand that. Also Kunz has only three cars and CMR only has two on a regular basis. Car counts should be fine back closer to home.

25th to 5th was Saturday not Sunday. And your telling me about one car one night. If you go to non wing and wing races consistently there is a lot more passing in non wing than winged. That’s not bashing anything, just facts. I grew up watching my dad race winged cars for several years. Hated it when Indiana first switched to non wing instead of weekly winged tracks but the on track action is consistently better than you’ll find in winged racing. Not saying you never see passing in winged but it’s a regular occurrence to see someone drive from the back in a non winged race. Not so much in a winged show.

Originally Posted by opnwhlmnd:
Logan Schuchart started 2nd and finished first.

Just have to ask if Ocala was so bad for you Friday why would you go again on Saturday? Just so you could bash USAC on a forum?

Some of the car count was from FMR Racing owner passing away. Lost J-Mac and Bacon there. The three car team that T-Mez drives for chose not to spend the money to come and I understand that. Also Kunz has only three cars and CMR only has two on a regular basis. Car counts should be fine back closer to home.

Have family 20 miles west of Ocala so I went due to convenience, I go to Kokomo and gas city a couple times a year for non wing and it’s actually decent, USAC tends to struggle everywhere except for Indiana and Illinois, to me it seems non wing racing is regressing no progressing while winged is doing the exact opposite. Use to be the USAC NATIONAL series but now it seems to be the USAC Indiana Series.

Originally Posted by Hamby454:
25th to 5th was Saturday not Sunday. And your telling me about one car one night. If you go to non wing and wing races consistently there is a lot more passing in non wing than winged. That’s not bashing anything, just facts. I grew up watching my dad race winged cars for several years. Hated it when Indiana first switched to non wing instead of weekly winged tracks but the on track action is consistently better than you’ll find in winged racing. Not saying you never see passing in winged but it’s a regular occurrence to see someone drive from the back in a non winged race. Not so much in a winged show.

I’ve been to multiple Kokomo smack downs where the “hard charger” went from 13th to 9th, it seems in outlaws there’s always someone who gains 8+ positions at least, some people like real racing and some people like other forms of “racing” personal opinion

Some people like to see them DRIVEN off the right rear.
Some people like to see them pointed using the left rear.
Just physics....

Not really here to argue about it. It’s a sprint car, it’s cool. Seems your only purpose on this forum is to annoy traditional sprint car fans. Again I deal in facts not opinion. Your basing statements on “I think one time at Kokomo the hard charger”. Not my thing. Simply put over the course of a season(non wings is far shorter also) you’ll see better racing in non wing imo. I mean windom won from 10th Saturday at bubba. Even when someone passes cars in the wing stuff they are rarely in contention to win. Equipment is everything in the wing game. Not my thing, I prefer seeing someone getting up on the wheel and making making moves rather than having my 80 extra horse drive around someone because the cars are so tied down you can’t hardly out drive someone 🤷🏻

Originally Posted by WingedFan2019:
$42 is too high. as for the no passing Logan schuhart went from 25th to 5th in the feature that seems like a good amount of passing to me

Double file restarts also help.

Don’t know if this was the night or not but one night didn’t they have about 8 cars with flat right rears as well?

Originally Posted by Hamby454:
Not really here to argue about it. It’s a sprint car, it’s cool. Seems your only purpose on this forum is to annoy traditional sprint car fans. Again I deal in facts not opinion. Your basing statements on “I think one time at Kokomo the hard charger”. Not my thing. Simply put over the course of a season(non wings is far shorter also) you’ll see better racing in non wing imo. I mean windom won from 10th Saturday a bubba. Even when someone passes cars in the wing stuff they are rarely in contention to win. Equipment is everything in the wing game. Not my thing, I prefer seeing someone getting up on the wheel and making making moves rather than having my 80 extra horse drive around someone because the cars are so tied down you can’t hardly out drive someone 🤷🏻

I’m not here to annoy anyone, it’s just when people On here try to knock winged racing I just have to state the truth. If non wing is so much better they should have higher attendance than winged races shouldn’t they? There is no top non wing event that comes close to Top wing events like Knoxville, kings royal, even Volusia. When that happens then you will have something to debate about. Guess you can stick to your non wing racing and I will stick to wing racing, have a good night

Literally explained why, in my opinion, WoO draws larger fan counts. Maybe you can’t read. But hey, I tried.

Ohhh and btw, I’ll bow dow to you the day a winged race gets 350+ cars like the chili bowl does. 😂

Originally Posted by WingedFan2019:
I’m not here to annoy anyone, it’s just when people On here try to knock winged racing I just have to state the truth. If non wing is so much better they should have higher attendance than winged races shouldn’t they? There is no top non wing event that comes close to Top wing events like Knoxville, kings royal, even Volusia. When that happens then you will have something to debate about. Guess you can stick to your non wing racing and I will stick to wing racing, have a good night

You stick to it. Probably best to stick to Hozers also. You're dealin with edumacated people here.

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Several points. (1) there was an apparent miscommunication at some point - if you go on USAC racing right now, search news and look for info on the midget weekend it says hot laps 6:30. (2) As for being ho hum and drug out - that is simply inaccurate. That is a point one could have made about USAC several years ago - since then when there are not complications they run as crisp a program you want. They blow a warning horn and stick to it - and things roll. Tell me where on Friday or Saturday USAC drug out the show to make up for the car count. Once hot laps started there was 1 ten minute intermission. USAC wasn't responsible for the lack of a real support class, so in the end what time did the checkered flag fly for the final time each night? On top of that not a single car got upside down in two nights. (3) As for POWRi it is a very solid group - but their leadership will also tell you that they have trouble when they get out of sight of the Gateway arch - and there is nothing wrong with that. Yet, who was last year's champion? Who won 12 of their features last year -- and where were they -- Ocala. We can discuss the model all we want - but these are the top teams in the game. Sure, everybody would have enjoyed a few more cars. (4) As for the wing vs non-wing thing - I like racing.

Usac better do something or there's not going to be anymore usac.when tiny Stewart left ysac racing as a team owner that was the beginning of the end.look what has done for the all- Stars tv deal sponsers happy owners good purses.usac you missed the boat what's sad Tony will never come back

You can reference the post here, per usac, on practice night where it says Saturday hotlaps started at 5:30. As stated previously why were all groups given 2 hot lap sessions? We sat there for 4 hours to see cars on track for maybe an hour total. That’s a bit ridiculous especially with a total car count for both classes combined being under 25.

Originally Posted by WingedFan2019:
I’m not here to annoy anyone, it’s just when people On here try to knock winged racing I just have to state the truth. If non wing is so much better they should have higher attendance than winged races shouldn’t they? There is no top non wing event that comes close to Top wing events like Knoxville, kings royal, even Volusia. When that happens then you will have something to debate about. Guess you can stick to your non wing racing and I will stick to wing racing, have a good night

Marketing, Marketing, Marketing!!!

I agreed in my post that there was a miscommunication. That is unfortunate. Each car got a green white checkered second hot lap session to get the track in better shape..and there was a new track record. That is not the first time nor will it be the last that a sanctioning body or local show decides to do this. That's not about dragging out the show. Sometimes the track is too heavy..somtimes too dry. That's the nature of dirt track racing

I’ve been around dirt track racing for 33 years. I don’t need educated on the nature of the beast. I appreciate your effort but as stated in my previous post this is what’s wrong with USAC. I sat in the stand both Saturday at bubba and Sunday at volusia. Saturday nothing was said until cars were on the track for the 2nd session. People were in the stands wondering if they had switched to group qualifying because nothing was stated about a second session until we’ll after cars were back on the track. At Volusia Sunday it was known. Immediately following the first groups hot lap session that groups 1 and 2 would get a 2nd green white checkered session to better replicate qualifying track conditions. The cars were parked in the infield and pushed immediately back off after the 4th session. At bubba all cars were off track, the gladiator came out, then all groups went back out. This served no purpose but killing time. If the track was greasy extend the first session then bring them out again at the end. That is the typical route, this is the first time I’ve ever seen every car get a 2nd session. And the general admission fans were not notified promptly. If you bring casual fans who don’t know much or anything about the sport they won’t return, especially if someone who’s been at the track for 33 years can’t even explain to them what’s going on because of the lack of communication from either officials or the announcers, announcers to fans, or both. Johnny Gibson makes WoO what it is, he’s by far the best in the business. Not just at hooting and hollering at the action on track but at keeping fans informed and plugging sponsors and owners all throughout the night.

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Originally Posted by Will Shunk:
Either USAC gets more nights on track for 2 weeks or we at least have Bubba RP with quality over quantity. USAC stayed loyal to Bubba RP and vice versa, but the All Stars and USCS 360 wings did not return this year.
I hope we have the opportunity to sit on our cozy couch and ***** about the racing streaming live from Bubba RP in 2021. I applaud USAC and their teams for trying the midgets for a second season in FL, Bubba RP for the effort and comittment to put on a show for their fans and the tourists, FLO racing for giving us a racing fix in February, and to the all of the non wing fans who stay loyal to traditional non wing racing on dirt.

I know this straight from the horses mouth....All Stars charge way to much for sanction fees for them to make money and with 5 different tracks racing at the same time, it's a tough nut!!

USCS kinda in the same but not near as much.

USAC is doable because that is the ONLY place they race at in Feb.

Hear is the issue in Florida SPEEDWEEKS now...

1. Back in the day it was SPEEDWEEKS not like now speedmonth/month-1/2
2. Wing sprint cars Multiple tracks some on the same nights
3. Late Models 5 different tracks
4. Big Block/602 Modifieds multiple tracks at same time
5. UMP mods multiple tracks at same time
6. Most important...Ticket PRICES. Northern/Central Florida fans just can not afford to go to 10-15 races at $30-$40 per event especially with family...family of 4 ...$30x4=$120+10 races is $1200 add travel/motel (if needed)/eating/teeshirt it's 2K. then you have....
7. Flo racing/Speed Shift/Lucas Oil TV/Live streaming and all other TV

On me as a personal note I use to go to EVERY event because I could 1. afford it and 2. NO one was racing on top of each other down here. Volusia (Dirt) and New Smyrna (pavement) East Bay for the Sprint Cars...Tickets $10/$12-$20/$25 for pits.
2 weeks of racing...NOT ANYMORE.. Just too many options which is good and bad...but the bottom line it spreads a race fan out and make it hard for a chose.

I am a non wing fan first and a race FAN 2nd. so if there are only 2 non wing sprint cars or 2 midget cars at a track and 50 wing cars else where, you can bet your a$$ I will be at the non wing deal!!!

On a sad note I have lost 5 of my friends the was races or race fans in the last week, so I want to tell ALL Y'ALL I love ya and hope to see ya starting Wed. night at BRP...I will be hanging with my good friend Carson Short driving for the best car owners in USAC, Carla and Steve Phillips...See ya shortly... THE Southern Outlaw

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Originally Posted by DJlives:
Several points. (1) there was an apparent miscommunication at some point - if you go on USAC racing right now, search news and look for info on the midget weekend it says hot laps 6:30. (2) As for being ho hum and drug out - that is simply inaccurate. That is a point one could have made about USAC several years ago - since then when there are not complications they run as crisp a program you want. They blow a warning horn and stick to it - and things roll. Tell me where on Friday or Saturday USAC drug out the show to make up for the car count. Once hot laps started there was 1 ten minute intermission. USAC wasn't responsible for the lack of a real support class, so in the end what time did the checkered flag fly for the final time each night? On top of that not a single car got upside down in two nights. (3) As for POWRi it is a very solid group - but their leadership will also tell you that they have trouble when they get out of sight of the Gateway arch - and there is nothing wrong with that. Yet, who was last year's champion? Who won 12 of their features last year -- and where were they -- Ocala. We can discuss the model all we want - but these are the top teams in the game. Sure, everybody would have enjoyed a few more cars. (4) As for the wing vs non-wing thing - I like racing.

I was there...I had my #92 Blue Goose D-2 Midget racing ...This post here SUMS IT UP...Very good post Dlives

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Originally Posted by Hamby454:
. At bubba all cars were off track, the gladiator came out, then all groups went back out. This served no purpose but killing time. If the track was greasy extend the first session then bring them out again at the end. That is the typical route, this is the first time I’ve ever seen every car get a 2nd session. And the general admission fans were not notified promptly.

We were told after the first session a "few" top teams complained so USAC made a decision to do 2nd hot laps...the announcer probably did not even know Hamby

I’m sure this is the case. But the original discussion was why fan counts were higher at WoO shows than USAC. If USAC officials can’t communicate that to the announcer to fill in your paying costumers they won’t keep coming back. You have to have an effective program from top to bottom. Leaving casual fans out to dry won’t leave a good taste in anyone’s mouth.Furthermore USAC shouldn’t be taking orders from a car owner. Are they running the show or are the car owners. And even then they could’ve asked all owners, announced to fans they were talking about a potential second session. None of these things are complicated but have a huge impact on a fan who is new or doesn’t go often on whether or not they will be back. I want to see non wing racing grow, people making excuses for simple issues doesn’t help. Everyone here has been going and will continue to go to the racetrack. Y’all aren’t my concern but seem to have zero interest on discussing how to improve the product so new or casual fans continue or start going to more races so the sport can grow.

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Originally Posted by WingedFan2019:
I’m not here to annoy anyone, it’s just when people On here try to knock winged racing I just have to state the truth. If non wing is so much better they should have higher attendance than winged races shouldn’t they? There is no top non wing event that comes close to Top wing events like Knoxville, kings royal, even Volusia. When that happens then you will have something to debate about. Guess you can stick to your non wing racing and I will stick to wing racing, have a good night

"Nobody has ever gone broke underestimating the taste of the American public" H.L. Mencken

Originally Posted by WingedFan2019:
I’m not here to annoy anyone, it’s just when people On here try to knock winged racing I just have to state the truth. If non wing is so much better they should have higher attendance than winged races shouldn’t they? There is no top non wing event that comes close to Top wing events like Knoxville, kings royal, even Volusia. When that happens then you will have something to debate about. Guess you can stick to your non wing racing and I will stick to wing racing, have a good night

I respectfully disagree with your logic. Here is an analogy: the most attended, highest revenue earning movies are often some of the worst from an artistic point of view. In other words attendance, participation, or revenue are not synonymous with quality.

The popularity of NASCAR verifies that

You have my sympathies Wayne on the loss of your friends.

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Originally Posted by Non wing lover:
You have my sympathies Wayne on the loss of your friends.

Thank you...been a tough week...thank GOD/USAC/BRP for the weekend...I sure needed to get away

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Originally Posted by Wayne Davis:
Thank you...been a tough week...thank GOD/USAC/BRP for the weekend...I sure needed to get away

Just found little bit ago, I lost a family member tonight...Been a tough MONTH!!! RIP John

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Gloom,75n to 24w to 65n.Kidney stones won this round.I did get the midget races in and two winged shows at Volusia

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Originally Posted by mc/rider:
Gloom,75n to 24w to 65n.Kidney stones won this round.I did get the midget races in and two winged shows at Volusia

Ouch... hope you're OK now
I've had those twice... no fun :7: