Re: 410 ci engines???????????
 

Originally Posted by dustbowl:
Not to nitpick too much but those were from last season. Times though are basically the same. Times at Winchester have pretty much been the same for the last 6 seasons or so despite the advanced engine technology. And at Eldora lap times always depend on the track conditions. Track record in 1998 was a 15.321 now its 14.7 something and that was set 2 years ago. I would venture to say that its going to be quite a while before we see a 14.7 at Eldora again, that was all luck due to all the rain. The last USAC race fast time at Eldora was Levi Jones with like a 15.5 and third was in the 15.6 range and thats about all I can remember.

yea your right after i looked at it i realized it was a year old... still served the purpose, and im not only talking engine technology, im also talking tires, shock, ect... we by no means have re-invented the wheel since then but we have made it better JMO

Re: 410 ci engines???????????
 

C'mon, Duke's still living in the past; he's watching his gasoline-powered B&W TV while typing on his IBM Selectric typewriter.......He's so anti-progress that he could be called Amish!

Re: 410 ci engines???????????
 

Duke, you opened a can of worms here. The guys don't "need" $60,000 410's. They want them. The glory days of the neighborhood mechanic putting together a sprint car and being competitive are long gone. Cherish those days....but they are gone. Now, we've got snot-nosed-Daddy's-got-a-trust-fund and I'm going to burn it up as fast as I can kids running sprint cars. And by God they're fast! Most have never worked a job. And, that's okay. It's just the progression that sprint car racing has taken. There's no going back now.

Re: 410 ci engines???????????
 

Originally Posted by Al Soran:
Duke, you opened a can of worms here. The guys don't "need" $60,000 410's. They want them. The glory days of the neighborhood mechanic putting together a sprint car and being competitive are long gone. Cherish those days....but they are gone. Now, we've got snot-nosed-Daddy's-got-a-trust-fund and I'm going to burn it up as fast as I can kids running sprint cars. And by God they're fast! Most have never worked a job. And, that's okay. It's just the progression that sprint car racing has taken. There's no going back now.

So what happens when Nascar slams the door. Chevy, Mopar and Open Joist go bye bye and the trust funds are gone? Whats left? A class that nobody can run?

Re: 410 ci engines???????????
 

Originally Posted by zeroracer:
this is qualifying times from what i believe was the last usac race at eldora....

1. Tracy Hines, 21, Stewart-15.712; 2. Jerry Coons Jr., 69, Dynamics-15.774; 3. Damion Gardner, 71, Leffler-15.808; 4. Dustin Morgan, 11D, Walker/Guiducci-15.831; 5. Brady Short, 2B, 2B Racing-15.833; 6. Levi Jones, 20, Stewart-15.911; 7. Brady Bacon, 99, Kahne-15.918; 8. Robert Ballou, 81, MPHG-15.936; 9. Jon Stanbrough, 53, Fox-15.947; 10. Ricky Stenhouse, 11, Walker/Guiducci-15.994; 11. Daron Clayton, 92, Clayton-16.027; 12. Hunter Scheurenberg, 10T, R & B-16.045; 13. Chris Windom, 17, Windom-16.081; 14. Shane Cottle, 10E, Edison-16.198; 15. Kevin Sindell, 79, Kahne-16.240; 16. Darren Hagen, 67, Kunz-16.294; 17. Jesse Hockett, 75, VKCC-16.367; 18. Dave Darland, 44, Pace-16.439; 19. Mat Neely, 17N, Neely-16.484; 20. Bill Rose, 6, Rose-16.487; 21. Mike Brecht, 97x, Seeling-16.550; 22. Shane Hollingsworth, 10, R & B-16.565; 23. Ron Dennis, 32, Dennis-16.609; 24. John Heydenriech, 57B, Burkey-16.696; 25. Jimmy Light, 23, Light-16.747; 26. Bret Mellenberndt, 97, Mellenberndt-16.802; 27. Danny Williams Jr., 6m, Melchi-16.914; 28. Mike Miller, 320, Kessel-17.126; 29. Don Droud Jr., 2, Reid-17.746; 30. Donnie Ray Crawford, 67k, Kunz-17.786; 31. Cody White, 26, White-17.890; 32. Aron McFadden, 23m, MAC Motorsports-18.542


I dont see a 19 second lap here and i dont see where 17 is really that fast either...

And these are the top 10 qual times from the last winchester race...

Marc Jessup, Kunz 67k, 14.281; 2. Darren Hagen, Kunz 67, 14.383; 3. Brian Tyler, Contos 4, 14.554; 4. Mike Murgoitio, Walker/Guiducci 11, 14.660; 5. Dave Steele, Dynamics 69, 14.678; 6. Dave Darland, Pace 44, 14.804; 7. Tracy Hines, Stewart 21, 14.808; 8. Eric Gordon, Bowman 51, 14.853; 9. Levi Jones, Stewart 20, 14.902; 10. Chris Windom, Windom 17, 14.952

um so tom bigelow would have been pretty good today.... but my point is still proven

I SAID LAST YEARS 4 CROWN READ THEM TO ME! I'VE SEEN SEVERAL TIMES THE 355 CHAMPDIRT CARS ARE FASTER THEN THE 410 SPRINTS AT ELDORA! HELL I RUN 16 SEC LAPS AT ELDORA NITE RACES WITH A $5000 355! IN THE 70S! SPEED DOES NOT MAKE GOOD RACING! SO YOUR 410 AT WINCHESTER GOES DOWN THE STRAIGHTAWAY FASTER! BIG DEAL! IT YOU WANT SPEED GO TO BONNEVILLE! IF THE SPEED DON'T KILL YOU THE COST OF THE PARTS WILL!!!!! PS WHERE IS YOUR NAME IN THESE TIME TRAILS???????????:checkered:

Re: 410 ci engines???????????
 

WHY DO YOU USE ALL CAPS?

If you read the Doug Wolfgang book, he goes into detail of his feelings on the 410 vs 355/360/350 motors. Very interesting comments.

Re: 410 ci engines???????????
 

Originally Posted by Charles Nungester:
So what happens when Nascar slams the door. Chevy, Mopar and Open Joist go bye bye and the trust funds are gone? Whats left? A class that nobody can run?

YOUR RIGHT ON! HOW CAN YOU AFFORD TO RUN A $40000 ENGINE FOR $ 1300 TO WIN?:kookoo:kookoo:kookoo THEN TIRES FUEL PARTS GAS PIT PASS PAY A DRIVER 40 -50% YOU LOSE WHEN YOU WIN THE FEATURE! JUST ASK THE FOX BROTHERS!:checkered:

Re: 410 ci engines???????????
 

Charles, that's a great question, and it all has me concerned, but sprint car racing has survived good times and bad, and I don't see it going away anytime soon. The trust funds are deep, and like history has shown, when someone runs out of money, or decides to hang up his helmet, someone new straps in. It's going to be alright.

Re: 410 ci engines???????????
 

Originally Posted by Al Soran:
Charles, that's a great question, and it all has me concerned, but sprint car racing has survived good times and bad, and I don't see it going away anytime soon. The trust funds are deep, and like history has shown, when someone runs out of money, or decides to hang up his helmet, someone new straps in. It's going to be alright.

Hoee so but even the days of multi small sponsorships being able to sustain a team are getting tough.

I've seen the midgets all but dry up in the IN-OH area. I certainly want sprints to hang around or all we have left is tin tops but wait, The LM's are showing their signs of being in trouble too.

Chuck

Re: 410 ci engines???????????
 

OK, you can put me in the dinosaur class with Duke, but I don't think big motors, big money, and big tires makes better racing. It only makes a little more speed for a lot more money.