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Honest-Sam 6/21/09 7:21 PM

Re: Pavement sprints & midgets
 
I remember a lot of folks demanding change a couple of years ago, as it applies to USAC. And, we've seen some. Here's some more of it, apparently. Some will not like it, others won't care. But this is worse than my wildest hallucination.:34:

I would add, however, that it is probably a decision driven by the economy. Car counts are poor, maybe it's harder to fill the stands, etc, etc., but that doesn't mean that I have to like it, right?

I don't really have any solutions to the problem, so I shouldn't complain. If I hear the fans right, their biggest complaint about pavement racing is the lack of passing, and I'm not sure that there's any 'easy' fix for it.

Pat O'Connor Fan 6/21/09 7:22 PM

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Originally Posted by metal bender (Post 112807)
combine the points midget sprint and champ cars to be come the number one or champ !!! Drivers would have to drive in all 3 to be champ. Thats the way it was years back !!

Huh ?? Not in USAC !

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This thread has me scared -- I agree with both Duke Cook and Danny Laycock in an IOW thread.:( What has come over me?:11: Is this the onset of dementia?:7:

nowingsjeff 6/21/09 9:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Honest-Sam (Post 112839)
I don't really have any solutions to the problem, so I shouldn't complain. If I hear the fans right, their biggest complaint about pavement racing is the lack of passing, and I'm not sure that there's any 'easy' fix for it.

What about Superduke's answer of narrowing the tires? I'm for that & stiffening the sidewalls too. That should bring some of the side by side back to both dirt & pavement. The only problem with that is the sanctioning body doesn't have the balls to do it because of all the crying they know they'll hear from the racers. Especially the well funded teams that out horsepower everyone else.

D.O. 6/21/09 9:50 PM

Re: Pavement sprints & midgets
 
Making a 12 wide rear double diamond {duke explain] would change racing. But who and why would they change? The horse is out of the barn. Hooiser would spend million to make the new tire. Won't work.

But do the tires, bring the drivers back and not matted in hot laps and slick for the feature.

USAC paniced when the x indy car of Carl Gelhausen showed up with big balled Tom Sneva at Winchester. It was an old Huffaker liquid supension indy car. One guy built a rear engine car that Rodger Ward drove but got his head cut off while trying to push off!!! So Indy cars were death traps back then plus killing people pushing off. Plus making the teams have to have a second pavement car put and end to that. PANIC.

Paul Leffler even built one to try.

So today it cost a lot, nobody gets to Indy .

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racerdog45 6/21/09 10:17 PM

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To me one of the things that hurts pavement racing in all 3 divisions is that almost everyone runs the same car, a wide Beast. I prefer a little difference in cars. The HOSS series last night at Anderson was interesting with several different types of cars competing. Also there's too much follow the leader and to be honest I don't like the whole rich kids/ride buying that seems to go on more and more these days, I prefer talent gets the ride and wins the race instead of who has the biggest wallet. And as far as a road to Indy, we all fell for the Tony George lie once and saw him sell the short track guys out when his rich golf buddies Rodger, Chip etc came back even tho Tony, Billy Boat and others showed on an oval they could get the job done. Now it's slot cars and pretty faces driving (NOT RACING but driving)while about 50 people watch on TV and in the stands....... Give me a RACER anyday over a driver

sc96 6/21/09 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by VaDirt (Post 112808)
Speaking of car counts on pavement, anyone have a guess on how many sprint and silver crowns might show at Richmond next weekend?

My guess would be 15 sprints and 20 silver crown has anyone got a look at the early entry list.

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One problem with pavement racing is the lack of races you cant afford to build a pavement car to run a handfull of races a year. when you can run a dirt car 30 plus times.

SUPERDUKE 6/21/09 10:41 PM

Re: Pavement sprints & midgets
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sc96 (Post 112885)
my guess would be 15 sprints and 20 silver crown has anyone got a look at the early entry list.

---------- post added at 10:25 pm ---------- previous post was at 10:19 pm ----------

one problem with pavement racing is the lack of races you cant afford to build a pavement car to run a handfull of races a year. When you can run a dirt car 30 plus times.

well what did i say? One car race dirt and pavement!

pgray 6/21/09 10:47 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by D.O. (Post 112879)
One guy built a rear engine car that Rodger Ward drove but got his head cut off while trying to push off!!!

So Indy cars were death traps back then plus killing people pushing off.



Never heard this ???
What are we talking about ... getting your head cut-off or otherwise killed while pushing off ?
Can D.O. or anyone else explain ?


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AERO410SCJA 6/21/09 11:10 PM

Re: Pavement sprints & midgets
 
I like the idea :8:.Now all they have to do is book sprints and midgets on dirt together twice a weekend in IN,IL,OH,WI,and call it what it really is A REGIONAL SERIES:16

The guys that want to run pavement sprintcars can buy some wing mounts and run HOSS OR AVSS;)

Charles Nungester 6/21/09 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by AERO410SCJA (Post 112898)
I like the idea :8:.Now all they have to do is book sprints and midgets on dirt together twice a weekend in IN,IL,OH,WI,and call it what it really is A REGIONAL SERIES:16

The guys that want to run pavement sprintcars can buy some wing mounts and run HOSS OR AVSS;)

Yet Regional midgets only run asphalt?


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