Larson at Tulare

Flatrightrear · 10/20/13, 11:38 PM

Good battle between Larson and Brad Sweet at Tulare last Sat. See video highlights at NSSN.com and check 'em out.

AustinSprinter · 10/21/13, 6:00 PM

for some reason he started 23rd??....nothin matters to him other than winning!!.........
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flatout · 10/21/13, 9:12 PM

For those who have seen the video or who were there, did the flagman drop the ball? Should have the red been thrown before the checkers?

JDFAST · 10/21/13, 9:51 PM

I was at the race. I would say no (at the time). Watching replays, I can see were people would second guess them. The flagman was waiving the checkered flag before the incident (seems odd to say that), but it seemed like the thing to do, the cars are so fast you obviously wave the flag before the cars cross the line. The front two guys were racing for the win, there was contact, and Kyle limped across the line. Obviously if a yellow or red was thrown, Kyle was done. He would have lost the overall win, main event win and his going for the win (main) might have seemed stupid. Also at the time, I thought maybe Kyle might have caused the incident, but after watching replays, if anything Brad caused the incident. He took the low line trying to avoid Kyle doing a slide job, and instead Kyle took the high side. Brad slid up into Kyle. After being there, and watching replay, it was a racing accident and I think Brad and Kyle are about as clean racers as any.

To be honest, I hate when the winner see's the checkered flag, they throw the caution. It can dratically change the outcome. In this case, maybe a caution should of been thrown, but watching the race, it seemed natural. Not sure the flag man could of dropped the checkered flag (s) (not sure he had doubled or a single flag, and have time to pull out the yellow. Also, there could have been no intentional plan to allow Kyle to win, it happened so fast and kinda unexepectedly. Kyle really made some ground the last lap.

I think Johhny gibson tried to stir some things up. The greatest show on Earth is the Trophy Cup, not Woo.. Seemed he was kinda jealous, IMHO. (and I am a diehard non-wing fan). No matter what next race I go to, even the Ovals at the PAS, they just seem downright boring compared to all the action at the Trophy Cup. Unless you go, you will never understand how hard the guys race FOR EVERY POINT EVERY TIME THEY HIT THE TRACK. In heat races, generally only guys race SUPER HARD for the transfer spot. In the trophy cup, everyone races like it is the transfer spot every race.

Great race, if you ever get a chance, go

mowerman · 10/21/13, 10:06 PM

Great post JD , that race is great every year that's why we head west after Gold Crown , which also is a great show .

Jonr · 10/21/13, 10:32 PM

I don't think Johnny was trying to stir things up. If you follow him on twitter, he is an interesting guy. When he is working for the Outlaws, he will definitely tow the company line. However, when he is not working with the outlaws, he will go to a lot of other races as a fan. He will the give his opinion as a fan. The difference between him and other fans is that it is his job to work at the races, and he definitely knows what would happen if it was a WOO race.

If Johnny was trying to bring down the Trophy cup, he would have not attended the races on his own dime. He would have not been tweeting about it to bring attention to it, and he would not purposely stir things up to create a controversy. As soon as I read Johnny's tweet, I knew that I had to find the video to view it for myself. I think it was simply a very knowledgeable race fan expressing his opinion.

flatout · 10/23/13, 3:32 PM

JDFAST..... Thanks for the response! Sort of figured it could have gone either way happening so close to the finish. Years ago Dave Blaney blew his rr in turn 4 coming to the checkers for the Kings Royal or Historical Big One and the threw the checkers instead of the caution. Either way it was one heck of a finish.

10/21/13, 9:51 PM	#4 Re: Larson at Tulare
JDFAST Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 221	I was at the race. I would say no (at the time). Watching replays, I can see were people would second guess them. The flagman was waiving the checkered flag before the incident (seems odd to say that), but it seemed like the thing to do, the cars are so fast you obviously wave the flag before the cars cross the line. The front two guys were racing for the win, there was contact, and Kyle limped across the line. Obviously if a yellow or red was thrown, Kyle was done. He would have lost the overall win, main event win and his going for the win (main) might have seemed stupid. Also at the time, I thought maybe Kyle might have caused the incident, but after watching replays, if anything Brad caused the incident. He took the low line trying to avoid Kyle doing a slide job, and instead Kyle took the high side. Brad slid up into Kyle. After being there, and watching replay, it was a racing accident and I think Brad and Kyle are about as clean racers as any. To be honest, I hate when the winner see's the checkered flag, they throw the caution. It can dratically change the outcome. In this case, maybe a caution should of been thrown, but watching the race, it seemed natural. Not sure the flag man could of dropped the checkered flag (s) (not sure he had doubled or a single flag, and have time to pull out the yellow. Also, there could have been no intentional plan to allow Kyle to win, it happened so fast and kinda unexepectedly. Kyle really made some ground the last lap. I think Johhny gibson tried to stir some things up. The greatest show on Earth is the Trophy Cup, not Woo.. Seemed he was kinda jealous, IMHO. (and I am a diehard non-wing fan). No matter what next race I go to, even the Ovals at the PAS, they just seem downright boring compared to all the action at the Trophy Cup. Unless you go, you will never understand how hard the guys race FOR EVERY POINT EVERY TIME THEY HIT THE TRACK. In heat races, generally only guys race SUPER HARD for the transfer spot. In the trophy cup, everyone races like it is the transfer spot every race. Great race, if you ever get a chance, go _________________________________________________ Last edited by JDFAST; 10/21/13 at 9:55 PM.

10/21/13, 6:00 PM	#2 Larson WINS at Tulare!!.......
AustinSprinter Senior Member Race Count This Year: (22) Race Count Last Year: (29) Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 4,428	for some reason he started 23rd??....nothin matters to him other than winning!!......... ______________ Brucer'

10/21/13, 9:12 PM	#3 Re: Larson at Tulare
flatout Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 500	For those who have seen the video or who were there, did the flagman drop the ball? Should have the red been thrown before the checkers?

10/21/13, 10:32 PM	#6 Re: Larson at Tulare
Jonr Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,698	I don't think Johnny was trying to stir things up. If you follow him on twitter, he is an interesting guy. When he is working for the Outlaws, he will definitely tow the company line. However, when he is not working with the outlaws, he will go to a lot of other races as a fan. He will the give his opinion as a fan. The difference between him and other fans is that it is his job to work at the races, and he definitely knows what would happen if it was a WOO race. If Johnny was trying to bring down the Trophy cup, he would have not attended the races on his own dime. He would have not been tweeting about it to bring attention to it, and he would not purposely stir things up to create a controversy. As soon as I read Johnny's tweet, I knew that I had to find the video to view it for myself. I think it was simply a very knowledgeable race fan expressing his opinion.

10/23/13, 3:32 PM	#7
flatout Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 500	JDFAST..... Thanks for the response! Sort of figured it could have gone either way happening so close to the finish. Years ago Dave Blaney blew his rr in turn 4 coming to the checkers for the Kings Royal or Historical Big One and the threw the checkers instead of the caution. Either way it was one heck of a finish.