[SteveB31]

Question on non wing 1000 cc mini sprint setup.

I was always taught and experienced that for very dry slick track, to move the right rear in to get more side bite, while putting weight on the left rear at the same time for left rear bite.

This works for me pretty well, but......a couple of my competetors are able to get equal bite with their right rear WAY out. Also , I have seen many midgets able to get lots of bite with the right rear way out (away from the frame).

How do they get so much bite with the right rear so far out away from the frame?

[PatrickMead#13]

I was told the key is getting the car to transfer weight from the rf to the lr to get the car to plant and stick the lr tire. Was recommended to use a easy up shock on the rf and a tie down shock on the lr.

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[SprintRacer4]

On a midget he LR stays in to the torsion arm always, never moves. The RR you don't ever move in more than an inch or so. Every midget organization in the counrty has a rear width rule that is 65" so what looks like the RR hangin' way out it isn't really. There are a hundred things to do to the car to get it to hook up on a dry slick trck. Shocks are a HUGE part of that, a good shock package pays dividends but it will cost you. Ride heights, weight jacking, bars air pressures etc

[DAD]

Hi Steve

We are one of those teams that run the right rear way out there. Our chassis, an FSC designed and built by AJ Felker a former mini-sprint driver. His chassis design allows us to run this set up and do quite well with it.

Sounds like you have an older car with a more centered rear axle set up. To run this type of offset requires quite a bit of chassis design. Torsion bar height. supension pick up points, spring rates etc etc.

The cars with a lot offset will work much better racing non wing than the older design and we feel also works well with the wing on. I would not suggest even trying this much off set with an older car. Get in touch with your chassis builder for set up advice or ask another racer that races your type of chassis what they would suggest to help you.

Honest Dad himself

[SteveB31]

Thanks for the ideas guys.

I scaled the car and made quite a few changes on the scales and discovered many things that I did not expect. I set the car up using that info gathered on the scales, and the car was the best it has been all year. Started 8th in the heat and finished 2nd (racing non wing with midgets and mini sprints together)got beat by the midget that started on the pole. Led the 1st 13 laps of the feature until a bad decision while passing lapped traffic, let 2 midgets and one mini sprint by me, for a 4th place finish.

Dad- you are absolutly correct in that this car will not work with the right rear way out. I had it in at 16" and it was awesome. Track rubbered up a bit and the car was a bit tight for the latter part of the feature, but all in all it was good.

Sometimes I suffer from the idea that I should copy what other guys do. I forget to realize that every chassis is different, every chassis requires a different setup, and every driver likes a car setup differently. I just need to remember that my car does what it does , regardless of how others setup their car.

One of the things I find interesting about lightning sprints, is there are numerous chassis designs, since some once were midgets, some are old, some are new, and they all differ in so many ways. Unlike some other forms of racing, we are still being creative in what we make/adapt to these cars to make them faster.

Had I not made a bonehead split second lapped traffic error, I may have won that race , and the time spent using the scales helped that out.

Steve

[SprintRacer4]

Steve, the cars you have are the best mini sprint chassis you can have, hands down. but they are built to run with a wing. Like "dad" said a non wing car is built with a lot more offset in it. But with that said if you look at a Maxim set up sheet they will give you a base set up to run a wing car without a wing. What it boils down to is this: you have to find out what the car likes & what you like & make it comfortable, the speed will come