[grinch]

Was trying to stay out of this war but had to point something that i noticed.......... Having heard about the usac silvercrown cars for years i had never had the chance to watch them until i got to help on a usac team owned by some friends of mine........I was very impressed with all the usac drivers and watched how hard they raced for every position........wether it was between 1st or 2cd or between 20th and 21st didn`t matter!!....... thay ran just as hard........now along come the goldcrown deal and all the hype that that`s what usac drivers need to get into nascar....more long track hi-speed experience.......Now my point! ........These names stand out to me Jeff Gordon,Tony Stewart,Ryan Newman,Dave Blaney,Yeley,Leffler,Kahne,Edwards,Schrader,Kurt and Kyle Busch.
I`m sure some of you in here can add many more to this list.........These guys got to Nascar from the USAC silvercrown series!!
Why did USAC need another division?? ........In my opinion USAC should have spent more time and effort with the divisions they had instead of starting the gold series. Sometimes the pie in the sky .........isn`t.

[Lucky161]

Originally Posted by grinch Was trying to stay out of this war but had to point something that i noticed.......... Having heard about the usac silvercrown cars for years i had never had the chance to watch them until i got to help on a usac team owned by some friends of mine........I was very impressed with all the usac drivers and watched how hard they raced for every position........wether it was between 1st or 2cd or between 20th and 21st didn`t matter!!....... thay ran just as hard........now along come the goldcrown deal and all the hype that that`s what usac drivers need to get into nascar....more long track hi-speed experience.......Now my point! ........These names stand out to me Jeff Gordon,Tony Stewart,Ryan Newman,Dave Blaney,Yeley,Leffler,Kahne,Edwards,Schrader,Kurt and Kyle Busch. I`m sure some of you in here can add many more to this list.........These guys got to Nascar from the USAC silvercrown series!! Why did USAC need another division?? ........In my opinion USAC should have spent more time and effort with the divisions they had instead of starting the gold series. Sometimes the pie in the sky .........isn`t.

Personally I don't see why this needs to be a SC vs GC deal or pavement vs dirt. But you are right. Those guys made it to nascar without running on 1.5 and larger superspeedways. So the GC isn't needed to get drivers into Cup racing. The other problem with the GC is the fantasy that it will get drivers into the IRL. The IRL only has openings for drivers with checkbooks. Talent and experience is not required. For a while it appeared that they only booted talented short trackers aside, but when they ran out of short trackers, they started selling the rides of talented road racers too.

[sc96]

The GoldCrown series was started because the SilverCrown series was and is in trouble(They have lost Richmond,Phoenix,Milwaukie,Gateway,Memphis,Colorad o) The GC cars were built so we could go to larger race tracks which would have added more places we could run(Darlington,Homestead,Chicagoland,Kentucky Speedway,Kansas,) And in time could have added the 2 mile tracks. As of today the Pavement cars are running IRP, Iowa and I think Oswego. I truly hope they get other tracks signed for pavement because 3 races on pavement is not worth owning a car.

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Originally Posted by Lucky161 Personally I don't see why this needs to be a SC vs GC deal or pavement vs dirt. But you are right. Those guys made it to nascar without running on 1.5 and larger superspeedways. So the GC isn't needed to get drivers into Cup racing. The other problem with the GC is the fantasy that it will get drivers into the IRL. The IRL only has openings for drivers with checkbooks. Talent and experience is not required. For a while it appeared that they only booted talented short trackers aside, but when they ran out of short trackers, they started selling the rides of talented road racers too.

One thing you need to remember is all those guys had at least 1 mile pavement experience and as of now USAC has 0 1 mile pavement tracks.

Originally Posted by sc96 The GoldCrown series was started because the SilverCrown series was and is in trouble(They have lost Richmond,Phoenix,Milwaukie,Gateway,Memphis,Colorad o) The GC cars were built so we could go to larger race tracks which would have added more places we could run(Darlington,Homestead,Chicagoland,Kentucky Speedway,Kansas,) And in time could have added the 2 mile tracks. As of today the Pavement cars are running IRP, Iowa and I think Oswego. I truly hope they get other tracks signed for pavement because 3 races on pavement is not worth owning a car. ---------- Post added at 10:05 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:02 PM ---------- One thing you need to remember is all those guys had at least 1 mile pavement experience and as of now USAC has 0 1 mile pavement tracks.

Correction: The Gold Crown series (version 2) was started within the last year to give the owners of these now bastardized cars a place to run them so the $85,000 loss the ensued will be easier to deal with. They were initially called the New Generation Silver Crown cars and forced out the original pavement cars into the now defunct PRA Big Car series.

Now if we go back into the history books we see the Gold Crown seires was tried before and guee what: It was a failure then and it will be a failure once again. This is definately not the right economic conditions to be starting something like this.

[Lucky161]

Originally Posted by sc96 The GoldCrown series was started because the SilverCrown series was and is in trouble(They have lost Richmond,Phoenix,Milwaukie,Gateway,Memphis,Colorad o) The GC cars were built so we could go to larger race tracks which would have added more places we could run(Darlington,Homestead,Chicagoland,Kentucky Speedway,Kansas,) And in time could have added the 2 mile tracks. As of today the Pavement cars are running IRP, Iowa and I think Oswego. I truly hope they get other tracks signed for pavement because 3 races on pavement is not worth owning a car. ---------- Post added at 10:05 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:02 PM ---------- One thing you need to remember is all those guys had at least 1 mile pavement experience and as of now USAC has 0 1 mile pavement tracks.

I thought they just ran SC at PIR. But even so, there were 1 mile paved tracks on the schedule when the GC was conceived.

[sc96]

Originally Posted by Lucky161 I thought they just ran SC at PIR. But even so, there were 1 mile paved tracks on the schedule when the GC was conceived.

Yes they did just run phoenix but for 2010 they sc cars are out. When the New Gen Silvercrown cars were first built it was because Bill France had a idea and USAC new they were loosing tracks years before they actualy lost them and USAC new something had to change so the new gen cars came to life when Bill died so did the new gen cars. Now the New Gen cars are now called GoldCrown and is a different series owned by Bruce Ashmore.

Originally Posted by sc96 Yes they did just run phoenix but for 2010 they sc cars are out. When the New Gen Silvercrown cars were first built it was because Bill France had a idea and USAC new they were loosing tracks years before they actualy lost them and USAC new something had to change so the new gen cars came to life when Bill died so did the new gen cars. Now the New Gen cars are now called GoldCrown and is a different series owned by Bruce Ashmore.

Funny how the series was in pretty good shape untill they introduced that ugly thing at PRI in Indy, at that point most of the car owners walked away which put the last season of the true silver crown cars in a funk. Now instead of building back what was great BEFORE this pig came along you're pushing it as the savior of the type, sorry, it didn't work once before with the largest and most powerful sanctioning in America backing it fully. Also funny how the NASCAR owners looked to the OLD cars for drivers and didn't even watch the new cars race right before their very eyes.......... But hey, I'm sure Pablo Ribero or whatever his name is will be happy to pony up again! AS for me, and most on this board, we'll be at the dirt miles and Eldora, and let's hope IRP for the real thing. Sorry you bought into this deal the first time, but you know the old saying, fool me once............. good luck, you're going to need it, IF this deal even happens.....

[racephoto1]

I remember running 3 shows all year for a while, but never quit the cars. The count of events rose to 10 to 12 a year , and then the new pos comes out. There goes everything.

USAC turned it's back on the champ cars for the ugly sob's, and damn near lost everything. I know there were some problems with the PRA, but because of the PRA, USAC has champ cars. If USAC had played it smart, which is asking for alot, they could have had both, if things continue the way they are, they'll end up with nothing.

They need to market what they have, which they haven't been able to do since Bill Hill left the midwest eons ago. It is as if they are looking for ways to fail, not succeed.A little old time hucksterism would go a long way. Tony Barhorst is the perfect example. An old time type of promoter who makes it work.

[Need For Speed]

racerdog45: The picture you have in your signature line brings back great memories for me!

I know different drivers were in those cars through the years...but it is probably Rich Vogler in the Elder 55, and Tom Bigelow in the Armstrong 43....both of them were INDY veterans......long before the abortionized versions of the Champ Cars.


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INDY used to be the ultimate goal for open wheel drivers in this country. The steps needed to get there have been in place for MANY years......midgets, and then sprint cars at places like Dayton, Salem, and Winchester. Prove yourself there, and you got a shot at INDY....you didn't need to be running a 3rd different kind of car on a 1 mile or 1.5 mile paved track....those tracks were for the INDY cars only.

Dirt tracks of 1 mile were included in the National Driving Championship. Then USAC concieved the Silver Crown/Champ Dirt Car series..basically the start of splitting the dirt cars away from the championship trail...and they started to cut their own throats.

USAC started the huge divide between the sprint and midget drivers, and the road to INDY. They cut off the fan base connection, and they cut off the well known driver connection. Now, each May, a huge percentage of drivers are from foreign countries. The US born drivers have very little, to no oval experience, and no dirt experience at all.

The IRL started out as a great idea! Then, the owners stepped on their own wee-wees.....so now it's a foerigner series again.

These funky looking 'Gold Crown' cars are going to do nothing as far as getting the USAC/WoO/ASCoC, etc. drivers to INDY.

Originally Posted by Need For Speed racerdog45: The picture you have in your signature line brings back great memories for me! I know different drivers were in those cars through the years...but it is probably Rich Vogler in the Elder 55, and Tom Bigelow in the Armstrong 43....both of them were INDY veterans......long before the abortionized versions of the Champ Cars..[/U]

It's Rich in the 55 but I think, may be wrong, that it's Leffler in the 43 and maybe Big was running the #1 car that year, can't remember for sure