[nathans1012]

Here's a thought for you on Spec. Sprint Cars.

In the Lawrenceburg 2025 schedule thread you mentioned something about a spec head non-wing division https://www.indianaopenwheel.com/sho...d.php?t=126912

It got me thinking what about the Wingless Super Sportsman that run at the Path Valley Speedway in Spring Run, Pennsylvania and other area tracks. Here are their rules for the divisions. http://www.pathvalley.com/Wingless-S...man-Rules.html

Videos of them racing at Path Valley
6/13/2023 - Heat 1 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AWi17PqsnI
4/17/2021 - Feature - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JmNdIGx5LI

Pics

[jonboat15]

You could fit two Path Valley speedways inside of The Burg, it would be a super speedway to them. The wingless sportsman do race on half miles but the racing is better on the smaller tracks. The sportsman series cars are unique to PA, I don't think those type of cars race anywhere else. Why not run 305's, with or without a wing there a plenty of those cars out there.

[kendirt]

Except they're not Sprint Cars, 2" x 4" framerails. 90" wheelbase, engine 44.5" out. I don't know the area's history, but I'd guess they're an evolution of an old Supermodified class. Common chassis specs make everyone happier.

Take a look at the UMSS rules. They're close to perfect. A guy can build a junkyard LS that makes the same power and is just as reliable as a $20,000 Racesaver. Or a Crate; 602, 604, and recently added CT525 w/restrictor. Or a 350 B-mod engine. Actually one of my complaints with their rules is too many engine options, but that all depends on what you're familiar with or already have in the shop.

To be clear, I'm not dissing the Super Sportsman as a class.

[Charles Nungester]

I don't know. All I know is most guys are trying to rebuild 10-20k motors (Bought used top end motors) and often getting less than ten races out of em before ya keep dumping money. SOMETHING with enough power that will last. A tire that will last more than one night and certainly for more than one race and return to a non gas shock.

Im thinking about the ASCS Head 360 but Im unsure. I watched Hockett, Dallas Hewitt and Kody Swanson almost win 410 races with em and I think Swanson did win a few at Waynesfield with one.

All I see is the 410 shrinking in number of cars. Three different teams are now one team trying to keep one car going. or they're just gone.

[nathans1012]

Originally Posted by Charles Nungester I don't know. All I know is most guys are trying to rebuild 10-20k motors (Bought used top end motors) and often getting less than ten races out of em before ya keep dumping money. SOMETHING with enough power that will last. A tire that will last more than one night and certainly for more than one race and return to a non gas shock. Im thinking about the ASCS Head 360 but Im unsure. I watched Hockett, Dallas Hewitt and Kody Swanson almost win 410 races with em and I think Swanson did win a few at Waynesfield with one. All I see is the 410 shrinking in number of cars. Three different teams are now one team trying to keep one car going. or they're just gone.

Just a thought for a new non-wing division here in Indiana.

[Charles Nungester]

Originally Posted by nathans1012 Just a thought for a new non-wing division here in Indiana.

I know. And this got tried before I think when Plymouth went to start a 604 class.

Hell if a LS, Hellcat or coyote class would last Id be for that. They seem to have no problem selling em and saying here, beat the **** out of em at Drag Strips or 24hrs of daytona. Stuff don't have to be a stacked injection small block v8 that's been taken to it's limit and blows or needs rebuilt in ten races

I know Binks was working on some LS platform. Not sure where it stands.

[badcoupe]

Bunks has two LT headed midget motors and a 3 cyl LS headed motor, from Katech. I know a few people are doing some LS based stuff but the parts required run the cost up to switch over things like the injection timing cover oil pan and crank adapter are engine specific and make it cost prohibitive if you already have a sbc based setup. Tq midgets faced similar battles when the newer engines came along, once you had everything it was actually cheaper in the long run but the initial cost to change over was high.

[Charles Nungester]

Originally Posted by badcoupe Bunks has two LT headed midget motors and a 3 cyl LS headed motor, from Katech. I know a few people are doing some LS based stuff but the parts required run the cost up to switch over things like the injection timing cover oil pan and crank adapter are engine specific and make it cost prohibitive if you already have a sbc based setup. Tq midgets faced similar battles when the newer engines came along, once you had everything it was actually cheaper in the long run but the initial cost to change over was high.

Binks bought at least a couple of the Cluason midgets to run as a test bed Those two cars were quick enough to make the A main.

I don't know Dan at all so I can't speak for him. But I do know he has the same plans for a sprint motor in both midgets and sprints the plans were to have competitive motors that lasted longer and were Half, If not lower than TRD Gaerte's and speedway engines of both sprints and midgets. Both based on LS platforms. They already run a LS in the Sprint pavement car.

[kendirt]

What is Tim Engler's Midget engine?

He calls it a Ford. Is it Coyote-headed?

[Frank Reiner]

Originally Posted by kendirt What is Tim Engler's Midget engine? He calls it a Ford. Is it Coyote-headed?

The head on the Engler Midget engine is a Ford Nascar FR9 type.