[KOP]

As copied from the scrafan.com message board.
13th ANNUAL 2008 OVAL NATIONALS PAYOUT


Saturday Saturday Saturday Saturday Thursday Thursday Friday Friday
A-Main B-Main C-Main D-Main A-Main B-Main A-Main B-Main
LAPS 40 20 20 15 25 12 25 12

1st $12,500 Transfer Transfer Transfer $1,000 Transfer $1,000 Transfer
2nd $3,000 Transfer Transfer Transfer $900 Transfer $900 Transfer
3rd $2,000 Transfer Transfer Transfer $700 Transfer $700 Transfer
4th $1,800 Transfer Transfer Transfer $600 Transfer $600 Transfer
5th $1,500 Transfer Transfer Transfer $500 $180 $500 $180
6th $1,300 Transfer Transfer Transfer $450 $170 $450 $170
7th $1,200 Transfer Transfer Transfer $400 $160 $400 $160
8th $1,100 Transfer Transfer Transfer $400 $160 $400 $160
9th $1,000 Transfer $120 $60 $400 $150 $400 $150
10th $975 Transfer $115 $60 $350 $145 $350 $145
11th $950 Transfer $110 $60 $350 $140 $350 $140
12th $800 Transfer $105 $60 $350 $135 $350 $135
13th $700 $300 $100 $60 $350 $125 $350 $125
14th $600 $200 $95 $60 $300 $125 $300 $125
15th $500 $300 $90 $60 $300 $125 $300 $125
16th $500 $200 $85 $60 $300 $125 $300 $125
17th $500 $200 $80 $60 $300 $300
18th $500 $200 $75 $60 $300 $300
19th $500 $200 $70 $60 $200 $200
20th $400 $125 $65 $60 $200 $200
21st $400 $125 $65 $60 $200 $200
22nd $400 $125 $65 $60 $200 $200
23rd $400 $125 $65 $60 $200 $200
24th $400 $125 $65 $60 $200 $200
$33,525 $2,225 $1,370 $960 $9,250 $1,740 $9,250 $1,740

.....Total: $60,060

[KOP]

Hmmmmmm, can't seem to get my PC to straighten out those rows. Try this link:

http://www.perrisautospeedway.com/si...l08payout.html

[Racerrob]

Just a few observations:

The Western World purse for two days is something like $45,350 and the three day purse for the Oval Nationals is a little over $60,000.

A standard 1 day USAC National Sprint Car Purse is between $19,000 and $20,000. So for the chance to run for the very close to the same money as 5 USAC races in Indiana, we will travel 4,300 miles over a two week period AND get to pay $15.00 more per pit pass each night at Perris.

We figure this trip costs about $10,000 to make each year if we don’t hurt cars or engines. If not for our sponsors and the point’s battle, why would anyone in their right mind make this trip? Is it any wonder the MPHG team cited money as the reason not to go?

I am all for making "big events" out of the USAC National series, but it should also make some financial sense as well. Indiana Sprint Week, the PA swing, the defunct Buckeye Nationals, etc all made sense for teams based in Indiana and the surrounding states. But if USAC wants a true national traveling series the purses will need to increase and the increase should not come out of the competitor's wallets through pit pass increases.

Just my $.02.

Rob Hoffman

[SUPERDUKE]

Originally Posted by Racerrob Just a few observations: The Western World purse for two days is something like $45,350 and the three day purse for the Oval Nationals is a little over $60,000. A standard 1 day USAC National Sprint Car Purse is between $19,000 and $20,000. So for the chance to run for the very close to the same money as 5 USAC races in Indiana, we will travel 4,300 miles over a two week period AND get to pay $15.00 more per pit pass each night at Perris. We figure this trip costs about $10,000 to make each year if we don’t hurt cars or engines. If not for our sponsors and the point’s battle, why would anyone in their right mind make this trip? Is it any wonder the MPHG team cited money as the reason not to go? I am all for making "big events" out of the USAC National series, but it should also make some financial sense as well. Indiana Sprint Week, the PA swing, the defunct Buckeye Nationals, etc all made sense for teams based in Indiana and the surrounding states. But if USAC wants a true national traveling series the purses will need to increase and the increase should not come out of the competitor's wallets through pit pass increases. Just my $.02. Rob Hoffman

IF YOU WIN BOTH RACES YOU WILL BE RICH! MONEY IS NO PR0BLEM TO YOU!:doh::headbang

Originally Posted by SUPERDUKE IF YOU WIN BOTH RACES YOU WILL BE RICH! MONEY IS NO PR0BLEM TO YOU!:doh::headbang

He just said if they hurt nothing, it will cost them 10 grand. So, if they win both, they pocket $25,000. So, they essentially a little more than double their cost of traveling. That's IF they can somehow manage to win both (which has only been done once, Jeff Walker/Dave Darland 2005). So, in all likelihood it's a money losing proposition...Ignorance is bliss, isn't it Superduke? ":headbang:" Keep banging your head on that wall. Maybe it will knock some sense into you finally...But, I doubt it.

DM

[sprinter25]

Originally Posted by Millsvideo Ignorance is bliss, eh? DM

Ouch!!!

Now, that'll leave a mark!:rolling

[sprinter25]

Originally Posted by Racerrob Just a few observations: The Western World purse for two days is something like $45,350 and the three day purse for the Oval Nationals is a little over $60,000. A standard 1 day USAC National Sprint Car Purse is between $19,000 and $20,000. So for the chance to run for the very close to the same money as 5 USAC races in Indiana, we will travel 4,300 miles over a two week period AND get to pay $15.00 more per pit pass each night at Perris. We figure this trip costs about $10,000 to make each year if we don’t hurt cars or engines. If not for our sponsors and the point’s battle, why would anyone in their right mind make this trip? Is it any wonder the MPHG team cited money as the reason not to go? I am all for making "big events" out of the USAC National series, but it should also make some financial sense as well. Indiana Sprint Week, the PA swing, the defunct Buckeye Nationals, etc all made sense for teams based in Indiana and the surrounding states. But if USAC wants a true national traveling series the purses will need to increase and the increase should not come out of the competitor's wallets through pit pass increases. Just my $.02. Rob Hoffman

While I'm not a car owner, Rob, I can feel your pain. And if you look at the Perris website, you'll see that you're racing for $1000 to win on Thursday and Friday....so unless you win, you don't stand a chance of covering expenses. Like you said, other than points, there's no reason for this or the Western to be national series shows. And while owning a race car is like owning a boat(it's a hole in the water that you keep throwing money into), an entry fee and pit passes should not pay the purse...Like someone else posted on the SoCal Board, the racer's pay to entertain the fans.......

[IBRACN]

$1,000 to win a 25 lap sprint car feature at a "special" event.....wow, that is terrible. Our local 360's get that for a 20 lap feature for a regular weekly show. Look at the drop off from the $12,500 winner on saturday....down to $3,000 for second. I would expect more out of a show that is as prestigious at this.

I think an obvious Band-Aid to this issue, with the purses being cut like they are, is to schedule a race or two on the way out and on the way back -- make the trip viable. I know that increases the bill for pit passes, tires, fuel, etc. and gives you three or four more nights to possibly tear the car up, but at least it brings the reward scenario a little closer to even with the risk factor.

There are plenty of tracks scattered through middle America that would make logistical sense. Tougher than it sounds to get races scheduled, I know, but it would certainly be a step in the right direction towards USAC being a truly national sanctioning body.

[SUPERDUKE]

Originally Posted by Millsvideo He just said if they hurt nothing, it will cost them 10 grand. So, if they win both, they pocket $25,000. So, they essentially a little more than double their cost of traveling. That's IF they can somehow manage to win both (which has only been done once, Jeff Walker/Dave Darland 2005). So, in all likelihood it's a money losing proposition...Ignorance is bliss, isn't it Superduke? ":headbang:" Keep banging your head on that wall. Maybe it will knock some sense into you finally...But, I doubt it. DM

YOU JUST DON'T GET IT! I'VE BEEN THERE DONE THAT! HOW BOUT YOU? IF YOU THINK YOU CAN MAKE MONEY OWNING A RACE CAR YOUR IGNORANCE IS BLISS!:headbang:moon::moon: