New Munchkins to enter fray at Buckeye Bowl Indoor Midget Nationals

10/24/08, 1:33 PM

By JIM MORRISON
The Rumble Series

When Tony Stewart and Mike Fedorcak unload their midgets for the Rumble Series of Indoor Racing this winter, they’ll not have the only Munchkins in town.

Since May, Ohio car builder Mike Streicher has constructed four new cars from Fedorcak’s original drawings. Two more will be completed before Toledo’s Rumble in the Seagate Centre and a possibility exists for two more to be assembled.

Fedorcak, creator of the Munchkin midget chassis Stewart’s driven to four Rumble Series wins in the last three years, reached a deal with Streicher in May for Steicher’s company to construct the cars. Since 2005 when Stewart set quick time and won the feature in a Munchkin that just hours before sat in the hinter regions of Fedorcak’s shop, the Hoosier fabricator has received several requests to build more Munchkins.
Fedorcak resisted.

His fabrication business has kept him busy and he’d been burned in the late 1980s when USAC changed its rules. Twenty years ago, Fedorcak had just reached an agreement with a California company to sell the cars and he was left holding the parts for new cars. Some of the chrome molly tubing he bent for those cars remain in his shop.

“I had 10 cars cut up and ready to put together,“ said Fedorcak. “Rule changes put an end to that. I still have the materials here from that.”

In fact, Stewart’s car was the prototype Fedorcak assembled. That car incorporated refinements he wanted to make after completing the first Munchkin.

At last year’s Rumble in Fort Wayne, Fedorcak and Streicher started talking about building more Munchkins. Chuck Rencurrel, who fielded a car an old Volkswagen midget for Tyler Nuckles, approached Fedorcak about a car. As Stewart and Fedorcak talked after the NASCAR star’s win at Fort Wayne, Mike Osite, an East Coast racer, spoke to them at length, offering to find Fedorcak a ride at the Gambler’s Classic in Atlantic City a couple of weeks later. Osite, from Brooklyn, N.Y., also wanted a new Munchkin.

“I made a real effort to get into the car building business and it didn’t go,“ said Fedorcak. “Now I am not trying to get into the car building business and people are wanting me to build them.“

Fedorcak and Streicher reached an agreement in May with Streicher’s Strei-Tech company in Findlay, Ohio, paying Fedorcak a commission to build Munchkins based on the original blueprints, photographs and jigs. The deal includes the chassis setup used on Tony Stewart’s car. Fedorcak also provides a few different anti-roll bars so each can be tuned to a driver’s preferences.

Streicher already built midgets, sprint and Silver Crown cars in his shop in addition to his other fabrication work. Undertaking the Munchkin project went surprisingly well considering it was the beginning of a whole new project, according to Streicher. Since they construct race cars already, his workers were able to figure out the little things they had uncertainty about.

“A race car is a race car,” said Streicher, former USAC midget champion and a winner of the RCA Dome Invitational.

Rencurrel was the first to receive his chassis followed by the three delivered to Cicconi, All are identical to Stewart’s.

Two additional kits will be completed after the Buckeye Bowl Indoor Midget Nationals. He’s had discussions about building two more after those are assembled but nothing has been finalized. Streicher needed to complete work for another customer -- he houses two traditional chassis owned by Rick Daughtery -- that races in the Rumble Series.

Thus far, Streicher’s only delivered kits, but he’s not opposed to providing a roller. It all depends on what the customer wants. Although the parts delivered in the kit are traditional body-style pieces, Streicher said nothing prevents a car owner from attaching different styles of panels.

Over the years, Fedorcak’s Munchkins earned the reputation of being radically different. Other than being constructed lower to the ground and wider, Streicher disagrees with this contention. The parallel bar-style suspension was used by the Kurtis Kraft midgets of the 1940s, he said.
“They are doing the same thing differently,” said Streicher.
So what makes the Munchkin so good?

“It is a combination of things,“ said Fedorcak. “What I got was a happy medium of a lot of things for kind of a specific purpose.“

The car Stewart drives was designed for a short track. Many forget Fedorcak built another Munchkin to run a big track. It established a new track record at O’Reilly Raceway Park.

Fedorcak, a trained draftsman, has ideas for a new car but Cicconi wanted one identical to Stewart’s. He reasoned Cicconi wanted to match driving skills with the two-time NASCAR champion on a level playing field, but another consideration was the expertise on chassis setup included in the purchase of the Munchkin kit.

“I told him it was essential because of the fact that he had his cars figured out already,“ said Cicconi.

Working with a car constructed from an existing design would not present as much of a learning curve on chassis setup for the five-race Rumble Series, according to Cicconi. Fedorcak’s been on the phone with Cicconi just about every other day to answer questions on the car’s assembly and suggestions for chassis setup.

The Munchkin has many differences from the midget he races with the New England Midget Association. The Volkswagen-powered Munchkin chassis is shorter than Esslinger-powered chassis Cicconi drives outdoors. The shorter length makes it turn more easily in the corners.

Cicconi plans to race in the Rumble Series this year. He raced once before at Fort Wayne in Rencurrel’s Kalamazoo Twister.

“I couldn’t hire a driver that made me happy so I am going to do it myself,,“ said Cicconi.

Three Munchkin chassis arrived in Cicconi’s Ashton, Pa., shop in kit form in late September. Cicconi and others worked 10 to 12 hours a day to make a midget identical to Stewart’s. The second car -- for Osite -- was also completed in time to race in Columbus. The third car -- for Jim Morgan -- might not be ready until the Rumble in Toledo on Dec. 19 and 20.

Cicconi’s entered cars at Rumble Series races the last couple of years. Liquid Lou, as Cicconi is know, has a wealth of experience with indoor racing. He competes annually at the Gambler’s Classic in Atlantic City and is a past winner of that event. He raced at the old Niagara Falls Convention Center and competes during the summer with NEMA and ATQMA.

Like Cicconi, Streicher’s has many laps around the tight indoor circuits. Niagara Falls, Columbus, the RCA Dome. The list goes on. He loves that form of racing.

“I don’t know why I like it but I always have,” said Streicher.

Streicher’s racing career started in quarter midgets when just four and a half years old. Today, his son, Richie, races in the division. In fact, last year he finished second in one of the features

Fedorcak began racing in 1974, running go-karts. He purchased a midget in 1979 and raced super modifieds. He also ran an ASA stock car in the early 1990s. His skill with fabrication landed opportunities with the Baker Racing and Hemelgarn Racing teams at Indianapolis. Fedorcak did work on Stan Fox’s car during that time.
Fedorcak attributes the Munchkin’s popularity and the demand for more of them directly on Stewart. Fedorcak won a Rumble Series feature in a Munchkin in 2003 and then parked it. During a poker game, Stewart called Fedorcak just hours before the Rumble in Fort Wayne to buy the car. He dug it out of the back of shop, not even certain it would run.

Stewart sat a new track record and later won the feature. Since then, the NASCAR star’s visited victory lane three more times. He now owns two Munchkins, having purchased a second version that he had learned about during the summer which Fedorcak now drives that at indoor races.

Fedorcak originally developed the idea for the Munchkin during a ride to a surgical procedure in a Louisville hospital. His hands had been burned while racing supermodifieds and as he rode by the exit for the Indianapolis Speedway he filled his mind with concepts and plans started floating around in his head.

“By the time we got to Louisville I had the thing designed in my head,“ said Fedorcak, who had been close to winning at the Speedrome but never successfully.

After Fedorcak drew out his designs on paper, family and friends helped him begin gathering parts even before his hands had healed. In January of 1987 Fedorcak began cutting parts and assembling the chassis. At his first race -- at Grundy County Speedway in Morris, Ill., -- he lapped the field up to third place.

“During hot laps, they threw the green and I thought the other guys had not seen it,” said Fedorcak. “I was that much faster.”

His next race came at the Speedrome where he won a race televised by ESPN. Things evolved from there.
“I have been riding a wave ever since,” said Fedorcak.

COLUMBUS, Ohio -- The Buckeye Bowl Indoor Midget Car Nationals, a new indoor race event date on a temporary one tenth mile oval built inside the Ohio State Fairgrounds Expo Center Coliseum has been announced.

The event combines the National, Regional, Kenyon and Ford Focus Midget Cars running a full show with a 60-lap feature . The pits open at 7:30 a.m., with the main gate opening at noon. Time trials are set for the midgets at 4 p.m., with a full midget event after 7:00 p.m. on Saturday, Nov. 1. Slingshots by Tobias, 600 Wingless Modified Midgets, quarter midgets and go-karts are also on the card.

Call Tony Barhorst at 317-418-3216, or e-mail tbracefest@aol.com. Visit rumbleseries.com

Charles Nungester · 10/24/08, 2:05 PM

I don't get it and Im not sure my facts are straight either but your for expanding midget racing yet let cars that seem to have a advantage over straight up midgets compete.

No dissrespect meant but it seems this special exemption is to get TONY STEWART and not for midget racing itself.
Chuck

Tony Barhorst · 10/24/08, 4:10 PM

Chuck,

Here is a history of the Munchkin at Rumble Series Indoor events. The Munchkin has always been legal with our series, starting with the NAMARS (Jack Calabrase) sanction in 1998. Fedorcak drove the Munchkin in 1999 -2000, and Tony Stewart did not drive the Munchkin until 2001 when he won the second night. However John Heydenreich let Tony borrow Joe Ganders Wild Goose in 1999, and we started Tony 17th and last under a provisional. Those that remember that run by Stewart know it was a thing of beauty...cutting through the field, not making contact...with the left front up halfway around the track as he hit the throttle. He had that race won, but on lap 65 he hit an inside tire marker...and flipped. It was one of the best driving performances I have seen. Tony borrowed the Munchkin from Fedorcak in 2001, and bought it later. In the meantime Fedorcak won at Ft. Wayne once, and finished second at the RCA Dome once. Mike Fedorcak is the only driver to win at the Ft Wayne Coliseum track USAC race, and on the newer Expo Center track.

The Munchkin has a tradition with the Rumble Series that will continue. These new cars are something that has evolved on it's own, as drivers like Cicconi want to take Stewart on. We love the variety of cars that we have...Blake Fitzpatrick won the last Columbus race in 2007 in a KENYON CAR!

Tony Stewart showed up unnanounced in Fort Wayne in 1999. The second Munchkin bought by Tony and driven by Mike Fedorcak was for sale on and off until 2005 or so.

Good to hear from you Chuck.

Best

Tony...Who is trying to stay out of trouble

streihawk8 · 10/24/08, 11:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charles Nungester

I don't get it and Im not sure my facts are straight either but your for expanding midget racing yet let cars that seem to have a advantage over straight up midgets compete.

No dissrespect meant but it seems this special exemption is to get TONY STEWART and not for midget racing itself.
Chuck

Hi Charles,
I guess they should have outlawed the LTC,s that Sleepy Tripp and Lonnie Caruthers won so many races in. The car Ken Schrader won all those indoor races was a LTC copy built by Bobby Seymour. Thats the same car Jeff Gordan ran his firt laps in a midget back in 1985. The munchkin has the same type suspension as those cars, also the midgets that Frank Kurtis built. How are these not straight up midgets? I would like to hear your answer. The motor is on center and they meet the offset rules for asphalt midgets. Thats somethng that the dirt cars competing indoors don't. they use antique torsion bars instead of coils, Whoops F1 cars have adopted that antique technology now.

Mike Streicher
ps I live and race in the USA .

racephoto1 · 10/24/08, 11:49 PM

I can't remember exactly, but didn't JP win at the RCA dome in the late 90's in a Munchkin ?

Andrew S. Quinn · 10/25/08, 10:51 AM

Has Don Moore ordered one yet??

Charles Nungester · 10/25/08, 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by streihawk8

Hi Charles,
I guess they should have outlawed the LTC,s that Sleepy Tripp and Lonnie Caruthers won so many races in. The car Ken Schrader won all those indoor races was a LTC copy built by Bobby Seymour. Thats the same car Jeff Gordan ran his firt laps in a midget back in 1985. The munchkin has the same type suspension as those cars, also the midgets that Frank Kurtis built. How are these not straight up midgets? I would like to hear your answer. The motor is on center and they meet the offset rules for asphalt midgets. Thats somethng that the dirt cars competing indoors don't. they use antique torsion bars instead of coils, Whoops F1 cars have adopted that antique technology now.

Mike Streicher
ps I live and race in the USA .

Mike, Im not saying its wrong, in fact im glad you replied. Im asking whats the point in JOINING when what you have is that straight up torsion bar car?

Growing the sport and number of participants. Im not against the Munchkin but just my opinion maybe theres room for a open or munchkin class? or when someone shows up with something that repeatedly dominates you will you still show up with a Munchkin? From what I see most teams can't have special uses cars except the asphalt/dirt which is required to run some series and some say thats already too much.

Just asking a question.
To you and Tony. I ask this respectfully and only hopes it grows the sport and not hurt it.

Chuck, planning on attending the Xmas weekend events at Ft. Wayne

DonMoore10 · 10/25/08, 2:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew S. Quinn

Has Don Moore ordered one yet??

Not a chance in China, Charlie.........

LEADERS EDGE · 10/25/08, 3:43 PM

I'm just glad that somebody besides myself has stated that the Munchkin is an offshoot of the L.T.C.. As is Andy Bondio's cars to a cerain degree.

thebus79h · 10/25/08, 5:44 PM

May get crapped on for it, but yeah, Stewart is fairly dominant there. Big deal. Stanbrough won a whole bunch of races in a DRC, so nobody should run those either. I've seen cars that shouldn't win races win races with good drivers, and truth be told, love him or hate him, Stewart is the best race car driver of my time. I wasn't around for Foyt or Andretti's hay day, or the Gary and Larry show.

10/24/08, 1:33 PM	#1 New Munchkins to enter fray at Buckeye Bowl Indoor Midget Nationals
bigmojo5 Posts: n/a	By JIM MORRISON The Rumble Series When Tony Stewart and Mike Fedorcak unload their midgets for the Rumble Series of Indoor Racing this winter, they’ll not have the only Munchkins in town. Since May, Ohio car builder Mike Streicher has constructed four new cars from Fedorcak’s original drawings. Two more will be completed before Toledo’s Rumble in the Seagate Centre and a possibility exists for two more to be assembled. Fedorcak, creator of the Munchkin midget chassis Stewart’s driven to four Rumble Series wins in the last three years, reached a deal with Streicher in May for Steicher’s company to construct the cars. Since 2005 when Stewart set quick time and won the feature in a Munchkin that just hours before sat in the hinter regions of Fedorcak’s shop, the Hoosier fabricator has received several requests to build more Munchkins. Fedorcak resisted. His fabrication business has kept him busy and he’d been burned in the late 1980s when USAC changed its rules. Twenty years ago, Fedorcak had just reached an agreement with a California company to sell the cars and he was left holding the parts for new cars. Some of the chrome molly tubing he bent for those cars remain in his shop. “I had 10 cars cut up and ready to put together,“ said Fedorcak. “Rule changes put an end to that. I still have the materials here from that.” In fact, Stewart’s car was the prototype Fedorcak assembled. That car incorporated refinements he wanted to make after completing the first Munchkin. At last year’s Rumble in Fort Wayne, Fedorcak and Streicher started talking about building more Munchkins. Chuck Rencurrel, who fielded a car an old Volkswagen midget for Tyler Nuckles, approached Fedorcak about a car. As Stewart and Fedorcak talked after the NASCAR star’s win at Fort Wayne, Mike Osite, an East Coast racer, spoke to them at length, offering to find Fedorcak a ride at the Gambler’s Classic in Atlantic City a couple of weeks later. Osite, from Brooklyn, N.Y., also wanted a new Munchkin. “I made a real effort to get into the car building business and it didn’t go,“ said Fedorcak. “Now I am not trying to get into the car building business and people are wanting me to build them.“ Fedorcak and Streicher reached an agreement in May with Streicher’s Strei-Tech company in Findlay, Ohio, paying Fedorcak a commission to build Munchkins based on the original blueprints, photographs and jigs. The deal includes the chassis setup used on Tony Stewart’s car. Fedorcak also provides a few different anti-roll bars so each can be tuned to a driver’s preferences. Streicher already built midgets, sprint and Silver Crown cars in his shop in addition to his other fabrication work. Undertaking the Munchkin project went surprisingly well considering it was the beginning of a whole new project, according to Streicher. Since they construct race cars already, his workers were able to figure out the little things they had uncertainty about. “A race car is a race car,” said Streicher, former USAC midget champion and a winner of the RCA Dome Invitational. Rencurrel was the first to receive his chassis followed by the three delivered to Cicconi, All are identical to Stewart’s. Two additional kits will be completed after the Buckeye Bowl Indoor Midget Nationals. He’s had discussions about building two more after those are assembled but nothing has been finalized. Streicher needed to complete work for another customer -- he houses two traditional chassis owned by Rick Daughtery -- that races in the Rumble Series. Thus far, Streicher’s only delivered kits, but he’s not opposed to providing a roller. It all depends on what the customer wants. Although the parts delivered in the kit are traditional body-style pieces, Streicher said nothing prevents a car owner from attaching different styles of panels. Over the years, Fedorcak’s Munchkins earned the reputation of being radically different. Other than being constructed lower to the ground and wider, Streicher disagrees with this contention. The parallel bar-style suspension was used by the Kurtis Kraft midgets of the 1940s, he said. “They are doing the same thing differently,” said Streicher. So what makes the Munchkin so good? “It is a combination of things,“ said Fedorcak. “What I got was a happy medium of a lot of things for kind of a specific purpose.“ The car Stewart drives was designed for a short track. Many forget Fedorcak built another Munchkin to run a big track. It established a new track record at O’Reilly Raceway Park. Fedorcak, a trained draftsman, has ideas for a new car but Cicconi wanted one identical to Stewart’s. He reasoned Cicconi wanted to match driving skills with the two-time NASCAR champion on a level playing field, but another consideration was the expertise on chassis setup included in the purchase of the Munchkin kit. “I told him it was essential because of the fact that he had his cars figured out already,“ said Cicconi. Working with a car constructed from an existing design would not present as much of a learning curve on chassis setup for the five-race Rumble Series, according to Cicconi. Fedorcak’s been on the phone with Cicconi just about every other day to answer questions on the car’s assembly and suggestions for chassis setup. The Munchkin has many differences from the midget he races with the New England Midget Association. The Volkswagen-powered Munchkin chassis is shorter than Esslinger-powered chassis Cicconi drives outdoors. The shorter length makes it turn more easily in the corners. Cicconi plans to race in the Rumble Series this year. He raced once before at Fort Wayne in Rencurrel’s Kalamazoo Twister. “I couldn’t hire a driver that made me happy so I am going to do it myself,,“ said Cicconi. Three Munchkin chassis arrived in Cicconi’s Ashton, Pa., shop in kit form in late September. Cicconi and others worked 10 to 12 hours a day to make a midget identical to Stewart’s. The second car -- for Osite -- was also completed in time to race in Columbus. The third car -- for Jim Morgan -- might not be ready until the Rumble in Toledo on Dec. 19 and 20. Cicconi’s entered cars at Rumble Series races the last couple of years. Liquid Lou, as Cicconi is know, has a wealth of experience with indoor racing. He competes annually at the Gambler’s Classic in Atlantic City and is a past winner of that event. He raced at the old Niagara Falls Convention Center and competes during the summer with NEMA and ATQMA. Like Cicconi, Streicher’s has many laps around the tight indoor circuits. Niagara Falls, Columbus, the RCA Dome. The list goes on. He loves that form of racing. “I don’t know why I like it but I always have,” said Streicher. Streicher’s racing career started in quarter midgets when just four and a half years old. Today, his son, Richie, races in the division. In fact, last year he finished second in one of the features Fedorcak began racing in 1974, running go-karts. He purchased a midget in 1979 and raced super modifieds. He also ran an ASA stock car in the early 1990s. His skill with fabrication landed opportunities with the Baker Racing and Hemelgarn Racing teams at Indianapolis. Fedorcak did work on Stan Fox’s car during that time. Fedorcak attributes the Munchkin’s popularity and the demand for more of them directly on Stewart. Fedorcak won a Rumble Series feature in a Munchkin in 2003 and then parked it. During a poker game, Stewart called Fedorcak just hours before the Rumble in Fort Wayne to buy the car. He dug it out of the back of shop, not even certain it would run. Stewart sat a new track record and later won the feature. Since then, the NASCAR star’s visited victory lane three more times. He now owns two Munchkins, having purchased a second version that he had learned about during the summer which Fedorcak now drives that at indoor races. Fedorcak originally developed the idea for the Munchkin during a ride to a surgical procedure in a Louisville hospital. His hands had been burned while racing supermodifieds and as he rode by the exit for the Indianapolis Speedway he filled his mind with concepts and plans started floating around in his head. “By the time we got to Louisville I had the thing designed in my head,“ said Fedorcak, who had been close to winning at the Speedrome but never successfully. After Fedorcak drew out his designs on paper, family and friends helped him begin gathering parts even before his hands had healed. In January of 1987 Fedorcak began cutting parts and assembling the chassis. At his first race -- at Grundy County Speedway in Morris, Ill., -- he lapped the field up to third place. “During hot laps, they threw the green and I thought the other guys had not seen it,” said Fedorcak. “I was that much faster.” His next race came at the Speedrome where he won a race televised by ESPN. Things evolved from there. “I have been riding a wave ever since,” said Fedorcak. COLUMBUS, Ohio -- The Buckeye Bowl Indoor Midget Car Nationals, a new indoor race event date on a temporary one tenth mile oval built inside the Ohio State Fairgrounds Expo Center Coliseum has been announced. The event combines the National, Regional, Kenyon and Ford Focus Midget Cars running a full show with a 60-lap feature . The pits open at 7:30 a.m., with the main gate opening at noon. Time trials are set for the midgets at 4 p.m., with a full midget event after 7:00 p.m. on Saturday, Nov. 1. Slingshots by Tobias, 600 Wingless Modified Midgets, quarter midgets and go-karts are also on the card. Call Tony Barhorst at 317-418-3216, or e-mail tbracefest@aol.com. Visit rumbleseries.com _________________________________________________ Last edited by bigmojo5; 10/24/08 at 1:38 PM.

10/24/08, 2:05 PM	#2 Re: New Munchkins to enter fray at Buckeye Bowl Indoor Midget Nationals
Charles Nungester Senior Member Race Count This Year: 6 Race Count Last Year: 14 Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 21,272	I don't get it and Im not sure my facts are straight either but your for expanding midget racing yet let cars that seem to have a advantage over straight up midgets compete. No dissrespect meant but it seems this special exemption is to get TONY STEWART and not for midget racing itself. Chuck __________________ Charles Nungester

10/24/08, 4:10 PM	#3 Re: New Munchkins to enter fray at Buckeye Bowl Indoor Midget Nationals
Tony Barhorst Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 752	Chuck, Here is a history of the Munchkin at Rumble Series Indoor events. The Munchkin has always been legal with our series, starting with the NAMARS (Jack Calabrase) sanction in 1998. Fedorcak drove the Munchkin in 1999 -2000, and Tony Stewart did not drive the Munchkin until 2001 when he won the second night. However John Heydenreich let Tony borrow Joe Ganders Wild Goose in 1999, and we started Tony 17th and last under a provisional. Those that remember that run by Stewart know it was a thing of beauty...cutting through the field, not making contact...with the left front up halfway around the track as he hit the throttle. He had that race won, but on lap 65 he hit an inside tire marker...and flipped. It was one of the best driving performances I have seen. Tony borrowed the Munchkin from Fedorcak in 2001, and bought it later. In the meantime Fedorcak won at Ft. Wayne once, and finished second at the RCA Dome once. Mike Fedorcak is the only driver to win at the Ft Wayne Coliseum track USAC race, and on the newer Expo Center track. The Munchkin has a tradition with the Rumble Series that will continue. These new cars are something that has evolved on it's own, as drivers like Cicconi want to take Stewart on. We love the variety of cars that we have...Blake Fitzpatrick won the last Columbus race in 2007 in a KENYON CAR! Tony Stewart showed up unnanounced in Fort Wayne in 1999. The second Munchkin bought by Tony and driven by Mike Fedorcak was for sale on and off until 2005 or so. Good to hear from you Chuck. Best Tony...Who is trying to stay out of trouble

10/24/08, 11:49 PM	#5 Re: New Munchkins to enter fray at Buckeye Bowl Indoor Midget Nationals
racephoto1 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 4,253	I can't remember exactly, but didn't JP win at the RCA dome in the late 90's in a Munchkin ?

10/25/08, 10:51 AM	#6 Re: New Munchkins to enter fray at Buckeye Bowl Indoor Midget Nationals
Andrew S. Quinn Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 4,173	Has Don Moore ordered one yet??

10/25/08, 3:43 PM	#9 Re: New Munchkins to enter fray at Buckeye Bowl Indoor Midget Nationals
LEADERS EDGE Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 980	I'm just glad that somebody besides myself has stated that the Munchkin is an offshoot of the L.T.C.. As is Andy Bondio's cars to a cerain degree.

10/25/08, 5:44 PM	#10 Re: New Munchkins to enter fray at Buckeye Bowl Indoor Midget Nationals
thebus79h Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 446	May get crapped on for it, but yeah, Stewart is fairly dominant there. Big deal. Stanbrough won a whole bunch of races in a DRC, so nobody should run those either. I've seen cars that shouldn't win races win races with good drivers, and truth be told, love him or hate him, Stewart is the best race car driver of my time. I wasn't around for Foyt or Andretti's hay day, or the Gary and Larry show.