Rumble Series Drops USAC Sanction

Dwight Clock · 9/3/08, 9:12 PM

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Originally Posted by dirtywhiteboy

Someone needs to explain to Mike the story of the pot calling the kettle black here.

Don't bother. His next of kin, NJDMoney, never understood it either.:action-smiley-049:

buck2 · 9/3/08, 9:17 PM

My recollection is the top 15 teams in points were the only ones who were allowed to vote on whether or not to race. The other 30-plus teams in attendance could not participate in the decision making process. No one from the track or promoter's staff attended the meeting to give their side of the issue.
The USAC official conducting the meeting was not in favor of racing and influenced the vote greatly.

9/3/08, 9:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Dwight Clock

Don't bother. His next of kin, NJDMoney, never understood it either.:action-smiley-049:

Now that you mention it, they both do sound alike and post alike.

Maybe NJDMoney was cloned?

Heromaker · 9/3/08, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by buck2

My recollection is the top 15 teams in points were the only ones who were allowed to vote on whether or not to race. The other 30-plus teams in attendance could not participate in the decision making process. No one from the track or promoter's staff attended the meeting to give their side of the issue.
The USAC official conducting the meeting was not in favor of racing and influenced the vote greatly.

Well that is very uncanny as the car I was there with was not in the top 15 in points and I was there too. And we got to vote.

And for the record Tony if you want to pull the sanction for the Rumble series, that is fine and your poragative. That is not what I chimed in on. But I will say I didn't agree with the way you handled the PA at Union City. Be careful with what you say (not me) but that kinda defamation can get you sued.

Beer Goggles · 9/4/08, 12:11 AM

Good on ya Tony. If I were in your shoes,I would definitely do the same as you.

It is inconcievable that USAC held a meeting and vote at Union County without the promoter present. Tony put months of planning, promotion, and hard earned up-front dollars into this night of racing, and had it unravel in a matter of minutes before a large crowd of paying customers. It is easy to criticise him for his comments on the P.A., but he had to be steaming insde. I know I would be if it was my money at stake.

Has the responsible on-site USAC Rep. been reprimanded and docked financially for his actions at Union County? If he has'nt by now, the loss of future earnings to USAC by Tonys cancellations should put him on the sh** list for sure.

Tom

YFBAR

E.P. · 9/4/08, 8:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Beer Goggles

1) Tony put months of planning, promotion, and hard earned up-front dollars into this night of racing, and had it unravel in a matter of minutes

2) Has the responsible on-site USAC Rep. been reprimanded and docked financially for his actions at Union County? If he has'nt by now, the loss of future earnings to USAC by Tonys cancellations should put him on the sh** list for sure.

1) Now, if he had only put some of that planning, promotion and hard earned up-front dollars into fixing the issues that he was aware of maybe he wouldn't find himself in this position. :confused:

2) The responsible USAC rep should....awww just forget it EP.....:headbang:headbang

service manager · 9/4/08, 9:20 AM

:checkered::checkered:This is the best news I have heard all week USUCK out of FT.Wayne!!! Hopefully other tracks will follow suit and do the same thing! They treat people like s..t and act like they are better than everyone else! Glad to see Tony step up here and tell them to kiss it! Wish you the best Tony and you have made the right choice thats for sure!!

LEADERS EDGE · 9/4/08, 10:27 AM

If 14 cars ran and only 15 cars where asked what they wanted to do, then why did
the other 19 cars leave? Especially since the purse was the same. Either USAC has a lot of sway or the teams had concerns themselves.

I have alot of respect for what Tony does. That is a huge gamble what he does. That said, he is trying to make a profit. He put himself in that position in U.C.

To me, the U.C. deal ultimately falls on USAC for not putting a final stamp on the show before the event. They should have followed up on the concerns they had. Although,Tony does bear a large brunt of the burden of blame as well. He should have stayed on them and made sure that there wasn't going to be a hitch. He knew all of the concerns. Trying to fix them on the day of the event probably isn't the best situation.

I didn't hear the name calling as the teams where leaving, so I can't comment. If that did happen, that was pretty harsh. If a driver doesn't feel comfortable competing at a certain event, then they shouldn't. How many stories have we heard that started out:"He wasn't real comfortable that day" or something of the like.

I think it is smart for Tony not to have USAC sanction for his events and adding to the payout always is a good deal. I personally think it isn't good for USAC to have their name on something that doesn't count toward a points championship.

Best of luck to all involved and I wish Tony a successful series and many successful promotions in the future.

DonMoore10 · 9/4/08, 11:08 AM

I think the Union County Saga is going to go down as something that will be talked about for years. It's kind of like a "whodoneit" tale.

As for the 15 cars leaving, as a car owner present as things were going down, I had no idea what was happening. Actually I assumed that the show was over when I saw all the big haulers leaving. That probably accounted for the 15 cars that didn't stay. They saw everybody else leave , so they left. It wasn't till I saw midgets lining up to go out on the track that I really knew that we were going to race.

This has been beat to death, but USAC had plenty of time to pull the plug before one spectator or owner paid a dime. The rest that happened was reactionary.

I never heard any names mentioned on the PA. There isn't a person on earth that hasn't said some uncomplimentary things when their back was against the wall.

Pat O'Connor Fan · 9/4/08, 1:26 PM

:idea: Could the Union County Speedway fiasco be due to kharma (or karma, if you prefer)?
Unfinished work rumored to have previously involved Greg Staab, which (after USAC let him go) turned to s--t :confused:

9/3/08, 9:17 PM	#22 Re: Rumble Series Drops USAC Sanction
buck2 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 294	My recollection is the top 15 teams in points were the only ones who were allowed to vote on whether or not to race. The other 30-plus teams in attendance could not participate in the decision making process. No one from the track or promoter's staff attended the meeting to give their side of the issue. The USAC official conducting the meeting was not in favor of racing and influenced the vote greatly.

9/4/08, 12:11 AM	#25 Re: Rumble Series Drops USAC Sanction
Beer Goggles Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 184	Good on ya Tony. If I were in your shoes,I would definitely do the same as you. It is inconcievable that USAC held a meeting and vote at Union County without the promoter present. Tony put months of planning, promotion, and hard earned up-front dollars into this night of racing, and had it unravel in a matter of minutes before a large crowd of paying customers. It is easy to criticise him for his comments on the P.A., but he had to be steaming insde. I know I would be if it was my money at stake. Has the responsible on-site USAC Rep. been reprimanded and docked financially for his actions at Union County? If he has'nt by now, the loss of future earnings to USAC by Tonys cancellations should put him on the sh** list for sure. Tom YFBAR

9/4/08, 9:20 AM	#27 Re: Rumble Series Drops USAC Sanction
service manager Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 37	:checkered::checkered:This is the best news I have heard all week USUCK out of FT.Wayne!!! Hopefully other tracks will follow suit and do the same thing! They treat people like s..t and act like they are better than everyone else! Glad to see Tony step up here and tell them to kiss it! Wish you the best Tony and you have made the right choice thats for sure!!

9/4/08, 10:27 AM	#28 Re: Rumble Series Drops USAC Sanction
LEADERS EDGE Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 980	If 14 cars ran and only 15 cars where asked what they wanted to do, then why did the other 19 cars leave? Especially since the purse was the same. Either USAC has a lot of sway or the teams had concerns themselves. I have alot of respect for what Tony does. That is a huge gamble what he does. That said, he is trying to make a profit. He put himself in that position in U.C. To me, the U.C. deal ultimately falls on USAC for not putting a final stamp on the show before the event. They should have followed up on the concerns they had. Although,Tony does bear a large brunt of the burden of blame as well. He should have stayed on them and made sure that there wasn't going to be a hitch. He knew all of the concerns. Trying to fix them on the day of the event probably isn't the best situation. I didn't hear the name calling as the teams where leaving, so I can't comment. If that did happen, that was pretty harsh. If a driver doesn't feel comfortable competing at a certain event, then they shouldn't. How many stories have we heard that started out:"He wasn't real comfortable that day" or something of the like. I think it is smart for Tony not to have USAC sanction for his events and adding to the payout always is a good deal. I personally think it isn't good for USAC to have their name on something that doesn't count toward a points championship. Best of luck to all involved and I wish Tony a successful series and many successful promotions in the future.

9/4/08, 11:08 AM	#29 Re: Rumble Series Drops USAC Sanction
DonMoore10 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,474	I think the Union County Saga is going to go down as something that will be talked about for years. It's kind of like a "whodoneit" tale. As for the 15 cars leaving, as a car owner present as things were going down, I had no idea what was happening. Actually I assumed that the show was over when I saw all the big haulers leaving. That probably accounted for the 15 cars that didn't stay. They saw everybody else leave , so they left. It wasn't till I saw midgets lining up to go out on the track that I really knew that we were going to race. This has been beat to death, but USAC had plenty of time to pull the plug before one spectator or owner paid a dime. The rest that happened was reactionary. I never heard any names mentioned on the PA. There isn't a person on earth that hasn't said some uncomplimentary things when their back was against the wall.

9/4/08, 1:26 PM	#30 Re: Rumble Series Drops USAC Sanction
Pat O'Connor Fan Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 8,029	:idea: Could the Union County Speedway fiasco be due to kharma (or karma, if you prefer)? Unfinished work rumored to have previously involved Greg Staab, which (after USAC let him go) turned to s--t :confused: