Tilton42 (Offline)
#42
2/23/15 12:24 AM
Half of the dirt races are co-sanctioned with the AMSA. Why not run there rules? That would make ALL the cars legal at ALL the dirt tracks. It's about car count, isn't it? They're all NW races. That takes away the advantages of the "built" motors and a lot of the time hurts them. As it is now, if you wanna run these dirt races. You will need 2 different motors. 2 different injections, and 2 different RR tires and in the case of guys running Blatter tanks 2 of those also. Everyone is always talking about "cost". That doesn't seem very cost-effective to me, and that's why these sanctioning bodies make these rules. Not sure where guys heard racing was cheap, but they were lied to. Like I said earlier, its about getting the car count up and putting on the best show possible. It looks like the average car count for MMSA is about 14-15, SOLS is 6-8 from what im told (IDK) yet AMSA has well into the 20's every weekend. That isn't a dig at the MMSA or SOLS, it's just the facts. So, if UASC or whoever wants to run off a 1/3 to 1/2 the cars then so be it. We'll be at the ones we're allowed to be at.
Avon Open Wheel fan (Offline)
#44
2/23/15 11:28 AM
I was just looking at the MMSA point Standings for last season and we had over 70 drivers race with us. This shows that there is a large amount of.cars out there. We also had several races with large car ccounts last season.
Revolution Racing (Offline)
#46
2/23/15 4:12 PM
Dad I can't believe you said this:
"Focus Motors they were never meant to be in a race car. The head is not well suited to produce good Volumetric efficiency numbers. Wayne down in Florida allows porting on them and they sure need it and it does help a little, but even in this state of race tune it doesn't have much for the your little gm motors. I think perhaps the little gm motor might respond to porting and valves but the port angles are still not to good to really produce a lot of power. "
1. As I have said all along, I realize a lot of midget guys don't like spec racing and I've always said, if you are one of those guys, please don't do a focus. It wasn't for everybody, but it did in fact become the largest division of midget cars ever in the history of the sport based on number of participants and number of events. Many many good racers got started in a Focus and are now racing all the way up to 'Cup level - the program was a success as a spec engine program. We never intended the motor to be a 'race' motor by Midget standards and if you are trying to make a race motor out of a Focus then you are an idiot. What we proved is that you don't NEED to have a 'race' motor in a midget in order to put on some exciting and competitive races. To this day, when I run into guys from the old days they often tell me racing a Focus was the most fun they ever had in racing. Mission accomplished.
2 The Ecotec platform has been used to produce naturally aspirated motors making in excess of 400 hp at 2.4 liters, turbocharged versions in excess of 800 hp, and supercharged engines in excess of 1,400 hp. Out of 2.4 liters!!! Yeah, that head isn't any good at all.
Dad I think you are starting to lose it buddy.
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Shopboss (Offline)
#47
2/23/15 5:07 PM
It would be great to have a thread about the Focus/HPD series that was positive and not hijacked for the most part. Lol
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gearguy (Offline)
#50
2/23/15 6:51 PM
The much maligned Scream Ford Focus was a great midget motor that put out a very reliable 185 hp. Check the advertisements from back in the day; that is more than a good 100 inch Offy put out. V8 60s were only used in passenger cars for a few years in the USA and I think most ended up in midgets or power race boats. Midgets might have died in the 1960s if other little motors hadn't come out because V8 60s were awfully thin on the ground by then Ask the vintage guys about prices on them today. Jack Fox's 1976 Mighty Midgets book claims a STOCK Chevy II was more powerful than all but the best V8 60s.
Yes, the Fontana, Eslinger, and Gaerte were developed by private companies but that development was on the back of work done by garage mechanics on Chevy IIs, Pintos, and V8 headed Chevy IIs AFTER stock parts got scarce.. Give the guys a few years and these 2.4 liter stock blocks will do just fine in midgets. A 2 liter Focus gives up too many inches to a 2.4 to be competitive. The same percentage difference as running a 360 sprint car against a 432 inch motor.
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