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1/20/22, 12:34 PM   #21
Re: Thorson winging it too ?
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Here are the 2021 average car count stats: WOO: 32.6. All Stars: 35.6. ASCS National: 36.6. USAC National Sprints: 34.2
The following data is compiled from all races run with this series. http://sprintcarratings.com/Default.aspx
Compiled by Bill Vanselow

2021

All Star Circuit of Champions (AS) - 2021

Driver Count: 321
Race Count: 53
Average Car Count: 35.6
Count of Drivers running every race: 3
Count of Drivers running half of the races: 12
Total Money paid out: $1,981,148
Average Pay per Race: $37,380
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2021

USAC National Sprint Cars (USAC) - 2021

Driver Count: 219
Race Count: 43
Average Car Count: 34.2
Count of Drivers running every race: 7
Count of Drivers running half of the races: 19
Total Money paid out: $1,202,700
Average Pay per Race: $27,969

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2021

World of Outlaws Sprint Car Series (WoO) - 2021

Driver Count: 327
Race Count: 76
Average Car Count: 32.6
Count of Drivers running every race: 8
Count of Drivers running half of the races: 15
Total Money paid out: $4,950,850
Average Pay per Race: $65,142

Looks to me like there's an extra $10K available per race at an All Stars Show and quite a bit more at a WoO race. I understand there's a couple WoO races that skew the total though. But this is where the money is guys and these drivers/teams race for a living.

If someone offers you the same job but with more money at stake, wouldn't you take it too??
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1/20/22, 3:15 PM   #22
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Exactly how many WoO drivers have left to go run USAC?
I'd like to see that list also.
 
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1/20/22, 3:32 PM   #23
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Really good info here. Now can someone show me the money spent by the top ten owners in each? Not trying to argue, just asking.
 
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1/20/22, 3:38 PM   #24
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Ray thats gonna be hard info to obtain but I get your point its obviously harder on equipment to run wings. The bigger $$ look good but its what they pay at the end of the season that makes up the difference.
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1/20/22, 4:21 PM   #25
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As Karl Kinser said, " It doesn't matter what you make, it matters what you keep." I can't think of any form of racing that doesn't apply to.
 
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1/20/22, 4:24 PM   #26
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I’m pretty sure the woo numbers above don’t include Knoxville for whatever reason, so it’s not skewed that much by the big races. The normal WoO a main purse is $51k. The other thing about the Woo is that if you’re a top team/winner you sell a ton of t shirts, and that can be a nice payday for the driver.
 
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1/20/22, 4:40 PM   #27
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What is the normal one day purse for the All Stars, ASCS, WoO, and USAC?
 
1/20/22, 5:16 PM   #28
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What is the normal one day purse for the All Stars, ASCS, WoO, and USAC?
I was once told that "what it pays to race is unimportant" and "the important thing is what does it cost to race for what it pays"
 
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1/20/22, 7:51 PM   #29
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Bill Vanselow (who sometimes posts on this board) has definitely provided some very interesting information that is pretty accurate. That data does show some robust numbers, particularly in the WoO, but there is also the thought that the top of one series is still better than a certain position farther down in another.

According to his statistics, the top earner in USAC Sprint Cars (Kevin Thomas, Jr.) had a higher average race winnings amount than even Tyler Courtney in ASCoC races. That’s not an indictment on the ASCoC. They’ve put together a great series that has grown immensely in the last few seasons. But it is a difficult road through Ohio and Pennsylvania.

Justin Grant had the best year in USAC 2021, and he’s been straightforward about what his cars earn. According to BillV’s statistics, Grant’s earnings in USAC alone would line up somewhere around 9th/10th on the total earnings list of winged sprint car drivers, behind the top 6 WoO drivers, Kyle Larson, and Tyler Courtney. Brent Marks is also right there, on the strength of some big events on his win list.

Thorson was a winged sprint car driver before he ran USAC sprint cars, and his car owner has had his eyes set on that challenge of going against the most well-funded teams in dirt racing. Thomas, Jr. is taking a ride as a hired driver instead of trying to balance a budget in his own car. Everybody has their own motives.

We have seen an unprecedented stretch in USAC Sprint Car racing with drivers staying and running for the championship year after year. That’s why they have been climbing the all-time lists in feature starts and wins. When we see the deepest fields contending for championships that a series has ever seen (and this applies to Midgets too), there has to be an effect from that at some point.

The money is there for those who win, run up front, and win championships. Opportunities are there for drivers to earn a very good living in multiple arenas. That’s good news for them & for short track racing fans.
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1/20/22, 10:30 PM   #30
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What is the normal one day purse for the All Stars, ASCS, WoO, and USAC?
WOO 10000, 6000, 3500, 2800, 2500, 2300, 2200, 2100, 2050, 2000, 1600, 1400, 1200, 1100, 1050, 15-24 1000 Total 50,800
AS 6000,2800,2000,1500,1350,1300,1250,1200,1150,1100, 850,750,650,600,600,600,575,575,575, 20-24 550 Total 28,175
ASCS Not much, but that is too much I will see if I can find - Found It!
ascs 4000,2000,1200,1100,1000,800,700,600,500,480,460,4 40,420, 15-24 400 Total 18,100

Please note many Outlaw and some All-Star races pay more than the standard purse.
 
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