Question For Everyone

Chris Nunn · 9/1/08, 6:51 PM

There is a horrible thing going on right now in racing of another kind. In Late Models, drivers are being busted left and right for chemically altering their tires for an advantage. Do you think this goes on in Sprint Car racing? And if it does, what if any punishment do you think should be handed down to the driver and team?

Dont turn this into a Late Model/Sprint Car war, cheating is cheating. Just looking for expert and valid opinions

RacinFool · 9/1/08, 7:00 PM

Chris, I have seen it happen for years. The bottom line is how aggressive on tech and the rules a sanctioning body or track is.

SUPERDUKE · 9/1/08, 7:11 PM

HANG THEM ALL FROM A TALL TREE!:applaud::moon::kookoo

9/1/08, 7:33 PM

it is happening more than you think. i have been told about teams that have been caught but the sanctioning bodies didn't want to embarass the owners. they took the tires and told them don't do it again.

e.g.

9/1/08, 7:52 PM

Just how are the tires being chemically altered???
Jim Morrison

c47 · 9/1/08, 7:59 PM

late models are not the only place it happens.
before someone gets hung for it, a check of the rules might be in order.
our club says that with the exception of syping and grooving, you cant "alter a tire"......does that mean no grinding? or using cleaners? or oiling the sidewalls?
or truing?
there has been "chemical warfare" going on in karting for a long time now as well as supposed softning of tires in nascar. lots of finger pointing in the DIRT modified classes too.......so its out there....i guess its just how hard they want to look....

MikeJ1961 · 9/1/08, 8:23 PM

We as fans would probably be really surprised if we knew what all is going on in our beloved sport. I'm afraid that the cheating runs much further than just tires in all forms of motorsports. With all the technology out there today T/C is pretty much undetectable.

Mike

Dwight Clock · 9/1/08, 8:24 PM

From day one race teams have pushed the envelope. How much they get away with depends on how good the tech inspection is at that track/sanctioning body. Make sensible rules, understand that each rule has a period at the end of it and allow no deviations, and enforce uniformly always.

9/1/08, 8:30 PM

I remember when Bob Cicconi was "vulcanizing" his tires one day at Salem by wrapping his tires in wet rags to cool them and harden the rubber after qualifying. This was just a short time after USAC went to the rule of racing on the tire you qualified on.
Jim Morrison

9/1/08, 8:40 PM

If people get caught cheating I dont give a dang who they are they should be punished BIG time. JMO I believe in the gray area but out right cheating is just plain horse CHIT!!! Traction Control, tire soaking anything else thats not leagle throw the FREAKIN BOOK at EM!

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9/1/08, 6:51 PM	#1 Question For Everyone
Chris Nunn Senior Member Race Count This Year: 20 Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 4,123	There is a horrible thing going on right now in racing of another kind. In Late Models, drivers are being busted left and right for chemically altering their tires for an advantage. Do you think this goes on in Sprint Car racing? And if it does, what if any punishment do you think should be handed down to the driver and team? Dont turn this into a Late Model/Sprint Car war, cheating is cheating. Just looking for expert and valid opinions

9/1/08, 7:00 PM	#2 Re: Question For Everyone
RacinFool Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 612	Chris, I have seen it happen for years. The bottom line is how aggressive on tech and the rules a sanctioning body or track is.

9/1/08, 7:11 PM	#3 Re: Question For Everyone
SUPERDUKE Banned Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 2,256	HANG THEM ALL FROM A TALL TREE!:applaud::moon::kookoo

9/1/08, 7:33 PM	#4 Re: Question For Everyone
e.g. Posts: n/a	it is happening more than you think. i have been told about teams that have been caught but the sanctioning bodies didn't want to embarass the owners. they took the tires and told them don't do it again. e.g.

9/1/08, 7:52 PM	#5 Re: Question For Everyone
bigmojo5 Posts: n/a	Just how are the tires being chemically altered??? Jim Morrison

9/1/08, 7:59 PM	#6 Re: Question For Everyone
c47 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 416	late models are not the only place it happens. before someone gets hung for it, a check of the rules might be in order. our club says that with the exception of syping and grooving, you cant "alter a tire"......does that mean no grinding? or using cleaners? or oiling the sidewalls? or truing? there has been "chemical warfare" going on in karting for a long time now as well as supposed softning of tires in nascar. lots of finger pointing in the DIRT modified classes too.......so its out there....i guess its just how hard they want to look....

9/1/08, 8:23 PM	#7 Re: Question For Everyone
MikeJ1961 Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 133	We as fans would probably be really surprised if we knew what all is going on in our beloved sport. I'm afraid that the cheating runs much further than just tires in all forms of motorsports. With all the technology out there today T/C is pretty much undetectable. Mike

9/1/08, 8:24 PM	#8 Re: Question For Everyone
Dwight Clock Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,233	From day one race teams have pushed the envelope. How much they get away with depends on how good the tech inspection is at that track/sanctioning body. Make sensible rules, understand that each rule has a period at the end of it and allow no deviations, and enforce uniformly always.

9/1/08, 8:30 PM	#9 Re: Question For Everyone
bigmojo5 Posts: n/a	I remember when Bob Cicconi was "vulcanizing" his tires one day at Salem by wrapping his tires in wet rags to cool them and harden the rubber after qualifying. This was just a short time after USAC went to the rule of racing on the tire you qualified on. Jim Morrison

9/1/08, 8:40 PM	#10 Re: Question For Everyone
Peter Griffin Posts: n/a	If people get caught cheating I dont give a dang who they are they should be punished BIG time. JMO I believe in the gray area but out right cheating is just plain horse CHIT!!! Traction Control, tire soaking anything else thats not leagle throw the FREAKIN BOOK at EM!