[Stevensville Mike]

Originally Posted by Vukie I started this thread about the hiring of Davey Hamilton not for somebody with an axe to grind. Can this thread be removed?

No. No. Don't remove it. That would be the easy way out.

Time for me to chime in.

First off, I want to state that like dirt non-wing sprints. I like Silver Crown. I like midgets. Remember that from this line on down.

As for your initial post on this thread, you are boasting Davey Hamilton being a good thing for USAC. Okay, I'll buy in on that. But when you post a link that uses the terms "improving", "making better", and "USAC" in the same context, you are going to get an argument, it is going to be a good one, and it is going to get heated real fast.

USAC absolutely DESTROYED the Silver Crown Series. DESTROYED. They bought into NASCAR and were so stupid that they never even got kissed while they were being screwed.

USAC let the pavement sprints rot on the vine. ROT ON THE VINE. Blame it on the economy, blame it on Winchester trying to pave a track and change owners (losing the best track they had), blame it on what you want. ROTTED ON THE VINE. Inept foresight. They had SO many fans in 1992.

USAC has done about..... oh....... lets be nice and say they have done NOTHING to promote midgets. NOTHING. Enter POWRi midgets. USAC is lucky Wisconsin is far enough away that the Badger Midgets cannot run in Indiana weekly. Indiana is unlucky for that.

So, all three of the aforementioned divisions - BANG! BANG ! BANG! Shot dead. Well.... two are nearly dead. Only one (pavement sprints) were confirmed by the coroner (fans) a few years ago.

Now, USAC is going to basically take over AVSS. Well that's great. Just great. USAC fans are generally anti-wing. This just looks like another mess coming up. I will have to hand it to Davey Hamilton to get his winged sprints thing in there and grab some cash to boot. He isn't as slick as Gene Simmons was with the IRL, but I still have to hand it to hi to get something for himself up front.

Want to talk dirt sprints? Let's go. A great series! Great cars! We all love it here! I love it. You love it. He loves it. She loves it. But where is the promotion?

Go to a WoO race and they have maybe 13-14-15 cars touring all year long. The rest are locals joining the show - filling out the field. But everywhere they race, the joint is PACKED. PACKED! People KNOW what a WoO show is.

Another point - I went down to East Bay a few weeks ago and ASCS had 67 cars there. 67! When was the last time you saw 67 USAC sprinters in the pits - ON A THURSDAY NIGHT? Hell, the All Stars outdraw USAC! Even outside of Ohio. Guy Webb or not. Now, with Stewart owning/promoting it, THAT gap will only widen.

Kokomo, Bloomington, Lawrenceburg, and Gas City (the past few years) have CARRIED non-wing dirt sprints in Indiana. Not USAC - Kokomo, Bloomington, Lawrenceburg, and Gas City with their weekly shows. You can pitch the USAC ball but I am not going to swing at it.

There are a couple of guys on this thread that when they speak, you ought to listen to them - Tom Paterson and Team 3521. These two guys have a vested interest in pavement sprint racing. Whether they are pro or con with respect to your post, stop and listen to them. They are both good guys.

But my point here is, when you post something with a link, that link is open for all to comment. I like my non winged sprints as much as my winged sprints, but I will not drink the USAC Kool-Aid, nor will I push the USAC "I Believe" button.

I wish Davey Hamilton the best, but the initial poster has to realize that said post has a lot more than "USAC is so smart - Let's clap for Davey!"

Money distribution and payment to the heads of the board aside.

In conclusion, four things:

1) DESTROYED
2) LET DIE ON THE VINE
3) CANNOT/WILL NOT PROMOTE
4) And now they are taking on winged pavement sprints

I am out of breath.

As one would say on Robin Miller's racer.com column - Thanks for the rant.

[racer5c]

I bet if you can get USAC a million and a half dollar sponsor they would give you the same cut Kevin Miller gets

[team3521]

Stevensville Mike,
EXCELLENT POST!
I will agree with everyone of your words again. 100%!
Thank you!

[Jonr]

Originally Posted by Stevensville Mike No. No. Don't remove it. That would be the easy way out. ......... USAC absolutely DESTROYED the Silver Crown Series. DESTROYED. They bought into NASCAR and were so stupid that they never even got kissed while they were being screwed. ......... USAC has done about..... oh....... lets be nice and say they have done NOTHING to promote midgets. NOTHING. Enter POWRi midgets. USAC is lucky Wisconsin is far enough away that the Badger Midgets cannot run in Indiana weekly. Indiana is unlucky for that. .............. Want to talk dirt sprints? Let's go. A great series! Great cars! We all love it here! I love it. You love it. He loves it. She loves it. But where is the promotion? Go to a WoO race and they have maybe 13-14-15 cars touring all year long. The rest are locals joining the show - filling out the field. But everywhere they race, the joint is PACKED. PACKED! People KNOW what a WoO show is. Another point - I went down to East Bay a few weeks ago and ASCS had 67 cars there. 67! When was the last time you saw 67 USAC sprinters in the pits - ON A THURSDAY NIGHT? Hell, the All Stars outdraw USAC! Even outside of Ohio. Guy Webb or not. Now, with Stewart owning/promoting it, THAT gap will only widen. Kokomo, Bloomington, Lawrenceburg, and Gas City (the past few years) have CARRIED non-wing dirt sprints in Indiana. Not USAC - Kokomo, Bloomington, Lawrenceburg, and Gas City with their weekly shows. You can pitch the USAC ball but I am not going to swing at it. ............... As one would say on Robin Miller's racer.com column - Thanks for the rant.

I will disagree with some of your comments and a couple other comments are just flat wrong.

I know that I am in the minority on what USAC did with Silver Crown cars, but I think that was a risk that they had to take. If the new cars would have succeded, the Silver Crown division could have carried the rest of the brand. New cars, New markets, racing at NASCAR facilities, potential pipeline for NASCAR drivers and sponsors. It was a risk that I think was worth taking. It was deffinitely a swing for the fences for the Silver Crown cars.

You definitely have not been keeping up with the Badger midget series. They have had a rougher time lately than USAC. Thier car counts have been so problematic that they have changed to a completely different motor package to try to bring back cars.

WOO is special because it is an event. If you want to see Steve Kinser, you better get out to the track because the WOO is only in town once a year. Wingless sprints in Indianna is a saturated market. If you want to see your favorite non wing driver, you are going have multiple changes this month to do so. Hell, maybe multiple chances in one weekend. Having a strong weekly show is both a positive and a negative.

You obviously have not been keeping up with the ASCS National Series. They are having a ton of issues as well. The health of ASCS is a constant topic on Hoseheads.

[Charles Nungester]

[oljonesy]

see mr. helburg's post.

[PPM Racing]

Originally Posted by racer5c I bet if you can get USAC a million and a half dollar sponsor they would give you the same cut Kevin Miller gets

I will have to assume that it is correct Mr. Miller quite possibly is compensated for his fundraising efforts. I have read this and heard this for the last 2 years since we got involved in midgets and sprints.
If this is truly why he is compensated the amount of money stated, it is proof to me that USAC is not being ran as a business that plans on being around for a long time to come.
Paying any employee based only on their "sales" is at a minimum wreckless and foolish. You can sell to your heart is content. If you don't turn a profit on the work you sell what good are the sales?
If his compensation had been structured based on overall performance, I would be willing to bet there would be alot more effort put in to running USAC as a business. This would start with taking care of your customers. That list is long as I believe their customers include owners, drivers, promoters, and the fans that make all of this possible.

[D50]

Originally Posted by PPM Racing I will have to assume that it is correct Mr. Miller quite possibly is compensated for his fundraising efforts. I have read this and heard this for the last 2 years since we got involved in midgets and sprints. If this is truly why he is compensated the amount of money stated, it is proof to me that USAC is not being ran as a business that plans on being around for a long time to come. Paying any employee based only on their "sales" is at a minimum wreckless and foolish. You can sell to your heart is content. If you don't turn a profit on the work you sell what good are the sales? If his compensation had been structured based on overall performance, I would be willing to bet there would be alot more effort put in to running USAC as a business. This would start with taking care of your customers. That list is long as I believe their customers include owners, drivers, promoters, and the fans that make all of this possible.

Well Said, this is the best post I've read on here in a long time.

[Vukie]

"Moral indignation is jealousy with a halo."
H. G. Wells

https://www.citizenaudit.org/3509703...90O_201311.pdf

[PJ Wright]

Originally Posted by Vukie "Moral indignation is jealousy with a halo." H. G. Wells https://www.citizenaudit.org/3509703...90O_201311.pdf

Well that's appropriate I guess: USAC defended by a quote from a socialist fiction writer.