smokintires (Offline)
#11
7/7/15 10:35 PM
Well shoot maybe we can see eye-to-eye on some things..... Now if only you could drill that into these "d2" guys heads..... Carbon wont make a damn bit of difference as long as the car makes weight.... Sure we could argue then you could put the weight to the left, etc etc..... That's all good and fine- if they want to run carbon they either need to strap the lead to their seat (like you stated with lead sheet) or run a steal motorplate which is 30 pounds all by itself. There, problem solved- everyones happy.
dirtrack (Offline)
#13
7/7/15 11:42 PM
At 1125 lbs, you should be able to build a good car without any Ti or carbon. Don't need to outlaw it because they won't gain a advantage. Rules need to be simple. Maybe you should use POWRI national rules with only the engine specs being different.
Already starting to see some pricey engine builds. Can spend a lot money without porting or Ti engine components. Hope I'm wrong but, don't think dangling the "low buck" carrot is going work in the near future. You can already see who has a stock long block and who doesn't. Cost will determine the growth of this class.
xoxide (Offline)
#14
7/7/15 11:47 PM
To some, ti or carbon isn't about the lightweight advantage.... Some people just live having nice parts.
Grade 8 bolts are bulky and ugly. We had a surplus of ti bolts from our aprintcar days so a lot of those got put on our midgets just because we had them, ttheyre stronger, and they look nicer then some bulky gold grade 8 bolt.
I've been harping on Wayne for carbon for months now... again- because I like the way it looks. Luckily we met a mutual ground for that subject but if he allowed it, I'd run it- not for the weight advantage since I'm already right at 1125 but for the looks.
xoxide (Offline)
#17
7/8/15 12:17 AM
Certain bolts yes, others no. All the radius rod/shock spuds /half nuts I'd spend the money on again in an instant. Random bolts likeneerf bar bolts, probably not.
If I remember right the whole ti spud kit for radius rods is only 1-200 which isn't bad in the grand scheme of things. I enjoy buying cool parts after I have the essentials.. Anodized nuts, ti bolts, etc.... No different than modifying my street car to my likings.
Andrew S. Quinn (Offline)
#19
7/8/15 9:05 AM
I'm amazed at the number of teams that dont have any machine tools. Been in a number of shops over the years and lucky to see a drill press in most of them.
I just drilled out some grade 8 bolts for a friend recently in my lathe. Had fun chatting while drilling /turning them.They asked how much I paid for the lathe. I paid a lot less than most people would think,and add tooling as I find it cheap
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buhrracing (Offline)
#20
7/8/15 9:32 AM
Has the thought ever occurred that the grade 8 bolt design was engineered to keep all material in tact to become a grade 8 strength? Im no engineer, but i would say its strength was just weekend in my opinion. buying Ti bolts are specific to the application and designed to be light weight with same strength characteristic. Now you just went into the Grey Area of the rule book about the actual design of the bolt and the rule Grade 8 only..lol
I dont really care if people are allowed to use Ti or not, people are going to spend money in other areas they could have spent on Ti so it balances out. For instance, im 40lbs over weight, instead of being able to buy Ti bolts to reduce weight im just going to buy a light weight seat, lighter steering wheel, lightw weight motor plate. So as you can see i spent the same amount actually more just in a different place. As long as there is a min weight rule, who cares. So either way your spending money.