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12/20/10, 12:24 PM |
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I'm guessing that the ruling was a variant or at least grounded on the following rule...
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I realize that rule is for a red flag, and not a yellow. But let's add this rule into the mix... Quote:
If the leader took the checkered flag, then a green, white checkered finish isn't going to happen. The checkered is the conclusion of the race. Quote:
If, as in a normal race, the event proceeds under green flag conditions after the checkered has been displayed to the leader then obviously everyone would be scored where they finished when each car took the checkered. But when there's a yellow displayed after the leader takes the checkered, what do you do? A. Everyone races back to the finish and is scored where they take the checkered? But what about that yellow flag and the rule saying you slow down and don't pass under yellow? or B. You revert to the last scored lap because the leader has taken the checkered and the race is over... and the track doesn't have 20 scoring loops to determine whether a pass was made before or after the caution was displayed. Again... I'm not defending the ruling because I didn't see it and don't even know whether they yellow was displayed after the leader took the checkered. |
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12/20/10, 12:38 PM |
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We were told by Jim Siner that it was "THE RULE" and he walked away from us at that point. I appealed to Kenny Brown and he said he wasn't watching the event.
If someone has video, I would like to see it posted, although that still does not validate a decision on a "RULE" that doesn't exist. |
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12/20/10, 12:53 PM |
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I agree Don, that there's not a specific rule that says...
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I'm not wanting to argue with you because it sounds like a valid beef you may have, but I'm just wanting to play a little devil's advocate and ask... What is the alternative ruling you are advocating... IF there was a caution displayed after the leader took the checkered but before the 10 car crossed the line? Just asking. |
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12/20/10, 12:58 PM |
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Don, I was there in the stands. It was scored exactly how it should have been scored. As Chad explained and bloard said, Once the leader crosses the finish line the race is over. As bloard said, you can't have cars racing back to the start finish line but you can't take the win away from the leader. I commented to the person next to me that it should be scored from the previous lap. They used transponders and I believe that the caution button was hit after the 2nd or 3rd place car crossed the line. I've been on both sides of this. benefitted from it and it has cost me positions also but in this instance, it was handled the way it should have been handled by any good sanctioning organization.
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12/20/10, 1:00 PM |
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Whats funny about it to me is several times, Earlier in the program they reverted back to the previous lap and then ran a green*white checker. One race even took three attempts to complete as there were incidents in the first two.
Oh Vey. after reading further explanations. I have a better understanding. However it seems a little weird. Chuck Quote:
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12/20/10, 1:07 PM |
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A lot of spinning (opinions about how it should be done). Spin all you want but there is NO RULE in the published rules as we were told.
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12/20/10, 1:12 PM |
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Where is the written and published rule that says the 10 car should have been scored in 5th?
If you think you finished 5th according to the published rules... Show me the rule. |
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12/20/10, 1:14 PM |
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I wasnt there and didnt get to watch it on ppv even though I paid for it but this is my opinion.If there was a yellow which there obviously is after every race but before dons car passed the finish line there should have been a yellow whit checkered.Just curious who was the yellow for and who did jacob pass that ended up getting the 5th apot.Was the cars that caused the yellow running at the back?Ill wait for more info before I put anything else on here but ift sounds like if I where Don Id be pissed to.
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12/20/10, 1:16 PM |
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Electronic transponders.
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12/20/10, 1:31 PM |
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I just did a "Find" search through the official rules for instances of the word transponder, transponders, Transponder, Transponders, Transpond, transpon as well as electron, electronic, electr and the only instance I can find in the rules has to do with electronic ignitions. I can't find the word transponder anywhere.
So... the transponders aren't in the official published rules. Are they irrelevant? Do we ignore them? Not use them? Go by the scorers notes when they confict with the transponders? How in the world can we possibly score a race with transponders when they aren't even mentioned in the rules? Maybe, Common Sense? Interpretation? If the rules are the rules are the rules... and that's the only thing we look to when judging the outcome of a race... then your electronic transponder don't mean diddly squat. Here's your problem Don.... and I truly don't mean anything personal because I enjoy an honest and straightforward debate with you here. You start out with a very honest beef that a lot of people are sympathetic to... then when contrary opinions are presented you start clinging to illogical arguments that defy common sense and real world experience. That's when you lose us. Stop arguing like my wife by clinging to an illogical argument just to keep from possibly being wrong one time in your life. The bigger question here is whether this is an appropriate way to have scored the race under the circumstances. With regard to that question, you have my sympathy and understanding regarding how things worked out for you. By simply yelling Rule, Rule, Rule.... you lose me. In the previous qualifiers where they went green white checkered - did the leader actually take the checkered flag prior to the yellow being displayed? I don't know. I'm just asking.
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