First of all its Clauson not Clawson(except if your name is jjones ) and since you mentioned him by name then you made it about him. It could just as easily been about Dwight talking about Bobby Santos....or Josh Wise, or Stewart, Kahne, Gordon, Aligaier, Schrader, and on and on..... Secondly if we are talking about former open wheel drivers making their way up the ladder(or to the top of the ladder) then in essence we are still talking about open wheel racing. Third Shaw is indeed his real name. You really dont want to take him on in public on the board here, trust me you will lose that argument. If you cant see the difference between the original post and Mr Nunn's complaints about some of us calling stock cars mudcabs and insisting that we be more open minded about the types of racing that we choose to follow(among other things) then there isn't much more I can say because you just don't seem to get the point.