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nathans1012 8/18/19 2:55 PM

Indycar - Pocono. NASTY wreck again. This one on 1st lap.
 
IndyCar at Pocono
For those of you not watching. Nasty wreck on the 1st lap of the race going into the tunnel turn 2. WOW. 5 cars involved including: Hinchcliffe, Rosenquist, Rossi, Hunter-Reay, & Sato.
Sato was upside down on the back of Hunter-Reay's car.

All drivers did walk away from the wreck.

Sato pulled the usual Sato.... Drive Like Rambo.... Bozi move on the first lap of the race.

RACE IS ON TV STATION - NBC SP

TCR57 8/18/19 3:09 PM

Dodged a bullet, that could have been wicked. Glad no one was injured. I love Sato when he pulls off those moves, but only when it works.

wright59 8/18/19 3:15 PM

Heís an idiot, they usually donít work. Especially on the 1st lap!

nathans1012 8/18/19 3:31 PM

Re: Indycar - Pocono. NASTY wreck again. This one on 1st lap
 
Andretti Autosport and the Rossi team thrashing and trying like hell to put the car back together and get as many points as possible. They will take the minimum 2 lap penalty for working on the car under the red flag.

IndianaSprintFan 8/18/19 3:59 PM

They were actually given a 10 lap penalty. And Sato is an idiot. Turn 2 of a 500 miles race at a track that is no stranger to tragedy. There is a difference in racing hard and being dangerous. That was dangerous and I hope he is held accountable.

flagboy55 8/18/19 5:04 PM

Lots of folks on social media saying they shouldnít race Pocono, by that logic they shouldnít race Indy either. Racing is dangerous

mc/rider 8/18/19 5:43 PM

Re: Indycar - Pocono. NASTY wreck again. This one on 1st lap
 
Good competitive race with several lead changes.Sitting in the air conditioning having a fine day :6:

Gregg 8/18/19 5:59 PM

Re: Indycar - Pocono. NASTY wreck again. This one on 1st lap
 
I didn't watch but when I saw Sato was involved that was all I needed to know.

Non wing lover 8/18/19 6:07 PM

I hope indycar stays put at pocono

Leohr46 8/18/19 7:43 PM

Why is there such a double standard for Sato. He is always on the gas and driving hard.
Now if he was doing that same stuff and throwing "sliders" on a Saturday night. He would be a hero.

Blackduce 8/18/19 8:06 PM

Could the design of the car be the problem and not the track?

Lynn

interpreter66 8/18/19 8:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leohr46 (Post 519094)
Why is there such a double standard for Sato. He is always on the gas and driving hard.
Now if he was doing that same stuff and throwing "sliders" on a Saturday night. He would be a hero.

Wow,I hope your not serious! don't see to many 200mph. Sliders !

Rhody 8/18/19 9:04 PM

Sato has always been a menace, and if he wadded up competitors at the same rate in a sprint car, he would be hugely unpopular in the pit area.

Stevensville Mike 8/18/19 9:24 PM

Re: Indycar - Pocono. NASTY wreck again. This one on 1st lap
 
Okay, I'll play the Devil's Advocate here:

These boys are paid to go hard and go for the gap. There are seams in the track down the Long Pond Straight. They run the whole length of the straight and are perfectly parallel to the ones (on each side of them). If you watch the replay from Rossi's car, as Sato is coming past him, at a very high rate of speed, on the outside, and timing his move, Rossi's RF wheel can actually be seen going to the right, towards the wall, as noted by the seam in the track. Sato, coming down, maybe never figured Rossi would try and move right to set up his entry into Turn 2?

Sato is not an idiot. He is good. Take your non-American blindfolds off. And besides, unlike Rossi, he has nothing to lose for he is not in the championship run. Maybe Rossi should have used a little bit of head and breathed the throttle? Hell, it was only Lap 1 and he has a lot to lose.

These guys are going for all of the marbles. Had A.J. Foyt made a move like this 40 years ago, he would have been hailed a daredevil/hero/icon/badass.

Two sides to every story. Sometimes three. But Sato is a badass shoe. Far from an idiot.

duel 8/18/19 11:54 PM

Re: Indycar - Pocono. NASTY wreck again. This one on 1st lap
 
The interview with Hunter Ray says it all. They can not come from the rear and pass the field the way the cars are. So they all jump anything they can get from the start and any restart. TK said the same thing about starting in the rear. Power was lucky on the yellow timing.

wright59 8/19/19 10:44 AM

You are completely wrong about Rossiís front tire going to the right!! And also there wasnít even a hint of a gap!

davidm 8/19/19 10:57 AM

Re: Indycar - Pocono. NASTY wreck again. This one on 1st lap
 
I don't get the calls to leave Pocono. If racing left every track were a couple bad crashed happened at we'd have very few tracks left.

chathamracefan 8/19/19 11:28 AM

Re: Indycar - Pocono. NASTY wreck again. This one on 1st lap
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Blackduce (Post 519095)
Could the design of the car be the problem and not the track?

Lynn

I think you are onto something here. No one can breakaway due to the package & the "detuned" performance. The performance gap is nowhere near what it used to be so these starts/restarts when all are bunched up leads to super aggressive moves as it is hard to pick them off 1 at a time once the race gets going.

Add in the fact that sometimes guys screw up & you have a recipe for big pileups.

Jonr 8/19/19 11:55 AM

Re: Indycar - Pocono. NASTY wreck again. This one on 1st lap
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by davidm (Post 519119)
I don't get the calls to leave Pocono. If racing left every track were a couple bad crashed happened at we'd have very few tracks left.

When it comes to safety, we always say we need to learn from our past. The crash that we had yesterday was very similar to last years crash. We are just lucky that a driver was not hurt. All of the ingredients of a bad wreck were present. Two years in a row of a violent wreck is definitely a trend. I am not sure how you can watch any of the videos of Robert Wickens rehab and not be convinced that a change is needed.

wright59 8/19/19 12:26 PM

Indy cars have been at Pocono for many years and should absolutely stay there. Wickens wreck last year was 100 percent his fault and this years was Sato doing what he does best, driving over his head.

Ntfsprint5w 8/19/19 1:37 PM

Re: Indycar - Pocono. NASTY wreck again. This one on 1st lap
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stevensville Mike (Post 519103)
Okay, I'll play the Devil's Advocate here:

These boys are paid to go hard and go for the gap. There are seams in the track down the Long Pond Straight. They run the whole length of the straight and are perfectly parallel to the ones (on each side of them). If you watch the replay from Rossi's car, as Sato is coming past him, at a very high rate of speed, on the outside, and timing his move, Rossi's RF wheel can actually be seen going to the right, towards the wall, as noted by the seam in the track. Sato, coming down, maybe never figured Rossi would try and move right to set up his entry into Turn 2?

Sato is not an idiot. He is good. Take your non-American blindfolds off. And besides, unlike Rossi, he has nothing to lose for he is not in the championship run. Maybe Rossi should have used a little bit of head and breathed the throttle? Hell, it was only Lap 1 and he has a lot to lose.

These guys are going for all of the marbles. Had A.J. Foyt made a move like this 40 years ago, he would have been hailed a daredevil/hero/icon/badass.

Two sides to every story. Sometimes three. But Sato is a badass shoe. Far from an idiot.

Dont care what year it is, or if it was AJ. If AJ took out 5 cars on lap one of a 500 mile race people would say it was a stupid move too. If there was a handful of laps to go? sure go for that move and if it happens it still sucks, but at least then there would be an understandable reason for the move. Lap one? hell no. Plus, this has ZERO to do with "non-american blindfolds" thats just race baiting at its finest. Dont care who it was that would have made that move, just so happens it was as driver who happens to be non-american.

mc/rider 8/19/19 2:15 PM

Re: Indycar - Pocono. NASTY wreck again. This one on 1st lap
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stevensville Mike (Post 519103)
Okay, I'll play the Devil's Advocate here:

These boys are paid to go hard and go for the gap. There are seams in the track down the Long Pond Straight. They run the whole length of the straight and are perfectly parallel to the ones (on each side of them). If you watch the replay from Rossi's car, as Sato is coming past him, at a very high rate of speed, on the outside, and timing his move, Rossi's RF wheel can actually be seen going to the right, towards the wall, as noted by the seam in the track. Sato, coming down, maybe never figured Rossi would try and move right to set up his entry into Turn 2?

Sato is not an idiot. He is good. Take your non-American blindfolds off. And besides, unlike Rossi, he has nothing to lose for he is not in the championship run. Maybe Rossi should have used a little bit of head and breathed the throttle? Hell, it was only Lap 1 and he has a lot to lose.

These guys are going for all of the marbles. Had A.J. Foyt made a move like this 40 years ago, he would have been hailed a daredevil/hero/icon/badass.

Two sides to every story. Sometimes three. But Sato is a badass shoe. Far from an idiot.

It does look like Rossi was drifting right setting up the turn

PJ Wright 8/19/19 3:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stevensville Mike (Post 519103)

These guys are going for all of the marbles. Had A.J. Foyt made a move like this 40 years ago, he would have been hailed a daredevil/hero/icon/badass.

Comparing AJ to Sato is a bit of a stretch, don't you think? AJ earned those accolades without wrecking everyone near him. You weren't comparing apples to apples or even oranges. Your analogy was more like comparing apples to anchovies.

By the way, your "non-American" comment was bull.

davidm 8/20/19 9:56 AM

Re: Indycar - Pocono. NASTY wreck again. This one on 1st lap
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jonr (Post 519122)
When it comes to safety, we always say we need to learn from our past. The crash that we had yesterday was very similar to last years crash. We are just lucky that a driver was not hurt. All of the ingredients of a bad wreck were present. Two years in a row of a violent wreck is definitely a trend. I am not sure how you can watch any of the videos of Robert Wickens rehab and not be convinced that a change is needed.

But you could say that about every oval they race on and a number of Road and Street courses too. Anytime you get an Indy Car up fast enough that it can take off and get into a fence you can have a crash similar to what happened to Robert. Look at the Houston crash Dario had at Houston in 2013. Looked a lot like what happened to Robert.

There is always room for change and improvement for safety. We saw how one of these improvements worked with Hinches onboard video Sunday.

Puppy 8/20/19 5:40 PM

Re: Indycar - Pocono. NASTY wreck again. This one on 1st lap
 
Sato definitely made a mistake, but it doesn't mean he's driving over his head or an idiot. Wickens made a bad move last year too and it cost him dearly. None of this is the tracks fault
Yes it is harder to pass, so making up positions on starts/restarts is a way to make some hay, but this is true in any series on any track from the pros to Paragon.


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