After looking at the the recent payout of the World of outlaws points find, it’s no wonder guys want to go wing racing. 5th place was like 45k and went up at least 5 per spot with second a cool 75k and the Donnie Schatz benefit was 150 grand. How does that stack up to our favorite wingless series?

And 90 races /year.. Travel expenses..

I was once told to be competitive in winged 410 in Central PA was $3k / race locally..and it was $5k on the WOO tour..

I don't doubt the source as he did both..

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Cobra Is that per race?

Yes.. Ironically I came across this

http://www.hoseheadforums.com/forum.cfm?ThreadID=111145

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It was said on a message board, it has to be true......:5:

By far the Woo purse, point fund, tow money, schedule, benefits to Platinum teams, etc is far superior to anything offered in the nonwinged series.

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In 2018, Donnie Schatz was top money winner in wings: $584,950. Top money winner in "traditional" was KTJ with $107,775 ( of course there are a few USAC events left)
Life isn't always fair, is it?:11:

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I'm assuming you got those figures from my site (www.sprintcarratings.com), but KTJ's number is actually $107,775. But that number does not include money won running Silver Crown and Midgets.

Racing is expensive. While the WoO has by far the best incentives for their guys it is also the most expensive to run. But I'd say the $5000/race may be low at least for the top tier teams and I'd also say that doesn't much more than make payroll for the 15.
On the other end of the spectrum, I'd say the local NW car spends in excess of $1000/race if they are good enough to win

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Yep, its your stuff... typo on my part. I meant to post your website but plumb forgot
Thanks!:23:

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Fixed it.... now i don't look so dumb... :10:

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lol...ok

I did some further number crunching. You showed the number for the 'top' driver, I did a comparison of the 10 top money earning drivers from each.

Winged, the top 10 averaged $267,600 money earned, with an average of 71 races run, that was an average of $3,769 per race.

Non-Wing, the top 10 averaged $70,700 money earned, with an average of 50 races run, that was an average of $1,414 per race.

That equates to winged drivers earning 3 to 4 times more than wingless drivers. That is a very big number. The big differences are the very high paying winged races, where there are very few of those races with wingless.

Other numbers in comparison...

• Total payout to all drivers, Winged $10,590,557, Non-Wing $2,556,053
• Number of Drivers, Winged 874, Non-Wing 660
• Races run, Winged 411, Non-Wing 240
• Average Payout per race, Winged $25,768, Non-Wing $10,650

www.sprintcarratings.com

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You're more patient & detail oriented than me... thanks again!

How much do you think you have to spend to get 150K?

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Ironic, I asked this same question last year. So far nobody has been able to ask the first question on this topic:

How much do the USAC point champions get rewarded for winning their respective series? The original question from Flagboy has been deflected to what the WoO points pays, how much they spend to earn that and how far they travel.


Looking at the USAC travel dates, they go to FL, NE, IA, PN, NJ, NY, MO, KS, AZ, CA, and of course locally. That alone looks like some pretty extensive traveling to me.

I'd like to know what they get rewarded at the end of the year, but it must be a secret. It's certainly never publicized. Like Flagboy, just asking an honest question. Thanks

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i think a more fair comparison would be usac to all stars...very similar schedules aside from the trip west at the end of the season.. i have no idea how they compare money wise

usac 10k to owner
10k to driver

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Thanks, Mike. Good info to know. Hopefully it grows in the future.

That is nearly embarrassing for a national series.

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Been that way for a few years I believe there is a member on the board who posted the officials salaries and there increases a couple years back the money is not going to the owners and drivers was nice to read that, would be interesting to see more updated info.

Wonder why someone such as Brady Bacon, who runs well with the wing also, chooses to stay with the non wing stuff?

No secret it’s always been on USACs website..........

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We're about as cost conscious as they come. If you account for a motor rebuild every 30 races...
$200 of motor wear + $120 for four pit passes + $100 round trip for fuel in hauler and generator + $50 in sprint car fuel + $300 in tire wear + $50 in food

We're looking at $820 before tearing up any equipment per race.

As soon as you get in an incident you rack up about $1000 real quick. Plus occasional things break in the motor and tires pop without warning.

We ran 19 races this year and it cost us $18,000 out of pocket in 2018 which includes the pay back of our winnings for the year.

JJ
Does your bottom line include sponsorship payments?

And this is not USAC purse winnings either, correct?

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Yes, it's not their web site, not hard to find. To make it easier, here is it...
http://www.usacracing.com/assets/fil...Incentives.pdf

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$20,000? That buys half an engine, right?
These guys need a raise! :31:

Excuse me as I don't get to a heck of a lot races any more but what results did this expenditure net?

Less than ten years ago, the USAC Sprint Car point fund totaled $50,000.

Then, they did the National Drivers Championship, which cut the individual series point funds some while paying $40,000 to Clauson and over $100K to the top-ten.

After that, the fund posted above ($103,000) was introduced in Sprint Cars. And they added an incentive program that hadn’t been done before, which was about $60,000 total.

The point fund for 2018 is $130,000. The champion receives $25,000. All together, the point fund & incentives are now over $200,000.

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We averaged 28 cars per race. 11 top tens. 3 top fives. We let some good ones gets away too. we were wrecked once while running top 5, We popped a tire running in the top 5, broke a right front spindle running top 5, and the dumb driver tried running Over Clinton Boyles on a restart (oops) running fifth at the last race of the year.

Also,

Yes those expenses include the money we received from sponsors. Without being on TV, social media is the only exposure companies get. So it’s tough treading.

Not a cheap sport.

If I'm a budget team and that was my season I'd be proud of it. I'm sure you outran better funded cars every night.

The overall moral of the story is, there isn't a competitive car in the country operating on purse and/or point fund money. Hasn't been for a long time.

It is a lot more travel to run with WoO, but they actually ran 71 Shows this year, because of all the Rain Outs. Schatz still Won just shy of $600,000! Not to shabby and $150,000 for the Points. 3/4 of a Million! Even after his cut, he earned a damn good living. Several others earned a decent living too.

I've heard from a pretty good source that when shatz wins a few select higher paying shows his cut of the winnings is 100%.

Well, that would be rare, but Tony may do that with him on select big paying events.

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Johnny Gibson in his Knoxville fan forum said the driver percentage can range between 40-60%. Most of those guys make a ton on T-shirt sales as well.

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Cause he’s the macho man and has 3 kids to support! Closest thing we got to BC as far as how many races he does a year. :9:

Normally 40-50% is very common depending on where you finish. Maybe 60% on a 25 Grand or above paying show.

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I saw a quote from Bobbi Johnson that said the team $341,000 inexpenses not counting equiptment. Because they hit many tracks only once a year, they do well with merchandise.

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That's a fact, Even Schats team would have lost a bundle without sponsors,
Drivers can make some $$$ Maybe a dozen or so do it for a living, Most have day jobs.

Some of the well known drivers, Even wingless can do a bang up T shirt buisness.

If you did well in all three USAC divisions, You could do pretty well as a driver and still be home most weeks and often in your own bed race night when racing IN-OH-IL

There’s a lot more than a dozen that are full time. All 13 Outlaws, several all stars, A few back in Central Pa and the Midwest. There’s at least 30 if not more 410 winged guys that do it for a living.

When you say "raise". Does that also mean ticket price?