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In the event that anyone was not watching the Belgian Grand Prix this morning, there was a huge wreck in Turn 1. Fernando Alonso was hit from behind by Nico Hulkenberg and Alonso's car was physically launched over the top of Charles LeClerc.

F1 has been using halos since last year. After seeing this wreck and how the halo pretty much saved LeClerc, I do not know what IndyCar is waiting for.

Oh. Wait. They are ugly. Drivers know the risks. I guess with that line of thinking, we should have just let this young man get his head taken off. Right naysayers?

Wreck:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuRRLkc4qUo

Aftermath: The black marks are where Alonso's chassis hit/landed. It doesn't take a genius to figure out where LeClerc's head was.

https://s26.postimg.cc/gbt883wax/Le_Clerc.jpg

Pretty sure you'll see halos in IndyCar very soon. Especially after Pocono, they dodged one there too.

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Personally I don’t think Indy car has any business running at Pocono.

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Check out the "dragster" style halo on most, if not all of the pulling tractors over the past few years, and they aren't moving at any unsafe speed, it's the unseen, unknown stuff that gets ya, I'm not saying open wheel sprints and other cars on this forum need them, but some improvement needs to happen, and it will be something simple. Bob

Why do you feel they have no business at pocono. Pocono is as close to Indy as it gets

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Watched it happen live and then replays multiple times during the safety car and after the race when they slowed it down. Even without the halo I don't think Alonso's car would have clipped Leclerc's head judging by the way the cars were traveling, where the car actually struck the halo, and how the drivers are situated in comparison to the placement of the halo. That said, it was a close call so I'm glad everyone was alright. Just mad that because of the crash, Raikkonen was forced to retire.

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If a safety innovation saves even one driver from becoming someone we talk about and say what we would give to have them back, then it is absolutely worth whatever the cost. Financial, appearance, aerodynamics, whatever it may be. If it can be practically applied, the lives saved are immeasurable.

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In the running for post of the year. Could not agree more. We now have empirical proof of what a halo does. :8::8::8::8:

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I don’t mean to beat the dead horse, but after the opening lap wreck in the IndyCar series race at Portland yesterday, I couldn’t help but think of this again. Hinch was very fortunate that Andretti’s car came up over the back of his car and not the front. If he had come up over the front, it could have been tragic. Another instance that makes me think the halo would be a very wise addition to the IndyCar series safety package.

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I was thinking exactly the same. The road courses are just as dangerous for cockpit intrusion as the high speed ovals.

On a sidebar, at the F1 Italian GP this weekend they did mention how the officials are going to look at the current halos and see where they can be improved, both for visibility and safety.

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A year on. This is a wreck in the F3 race at Monza this past weekend. Alex Peroni. Note how he landed head down atop the wall.

https://racer.com/2019/09/07/monza-c...mous-f3-crash/

He walked away. Thank you, halo.

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Looks like the halo and protective windscreen have arrived for the 2020 IndyCar season:

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https://www.indycar.com/News/2019/10/10-02-Cavin-Final

Aeroscreen's first on-track test deemed a huge success
By Curt Cavin | Published: Oct 2, 2019

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INDYCAR, in collaboration with Red Bull Advanced Technologies, staged its first on-track test of a revolutionary Aeroscreen on Wednesday at Indianapolis Motor Speedway, and the officials and drivers involved couldn’t have been more pleased.

Five-time NTT IndyCar Series champion Scott Dixon of Chip Ganassi Racing and 2014 series champion Will Power of Team Penske – both Indianapolis 500 winners – combined to run nearly 650 incident-free miles around the iconic 2.5-mile oval.

Power ran 129 laps at a top speed of 224.591 mph while Dixon completed 128 laps with a best of 224.501 mph. Neither reported issues with visibility, head buffeting or car handling, all positives for the Aeroscreen that will be fitted to all NTT IndyCar Series cars for the 2020 season.

“We had pretty high expectations, and we’ve probably exceeded them already,” INDYCAR President Jay Frye said. “I think it’s done everything we thought it would do and then some. Obviously, we’ve learned a lot.

“I think the most important thing is the foundation is right … and it’s been a very turn-key event, so we’re really proud of that.”

The Aeroscreen has been developed by Red Bull Advanced Technologies to reduce the risk of driver injury from debris or other objects striking the cockpit area. The driver safety innovation encompassing the cockpit is comprised of a ballistic Aeroscreen anchored by titanium framework.

The RBAT design consists of a polycarbonate laminated screen that includes an anti-reflective coating on the interior of the screen, an anti-fogging device through an integral heating element and tear-offs, all of which will be produced by integrated third-party companies. Another feature for the drivers will be a cockpit-cooling duct designed by Dallara using its Computational Fluid Dynamics.

The titanium framework mounts in three areas around the cockpit: the chassis centerline, two rear side mounts and roll hoop integration to provide enhanced load-bearing capabilities. The load bearing is expected to be 150 kilonewtons (kN), which equals the FIA load for the Halo design currently used in Formula One. A kilonewton is equal to approximately 225 pounds.

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Dixon tested an Aeroscreen prototype on a simulator July 2 at the Dallara Research Center in Speedway, Ind. Dallara is an official INDYCAR supplier and a partner in the Aeroscreen project.

“I'm so impressed with how quickly all this came together,” Power said. “To have the first run in and really no major issues … it’s just little things that need to be worked on.”

“It’s been an intense project and one that I think a lot of people have done their due diligence on to get it to this point,” Dixon said. “Today’s been pretty much seamless.”

Dixon said he was surprised how quiet the cockpit is with the wind deflected. He said he could hear his team radio for the first time than ever before.

“There’s actually a lot less load on the helmet,” Dixon said. “Visually, there’s been no (issue). Some of the areas with tear-offs and where they seam in the middle will be sort of fixed down the road to make it better.”

Dixon and Power said they could have raced with the Aeroscreen this weekend, if necessary, and they are ecstatic INDYCAR, RBAT and others have taken these instrumental steps to further protect drivers.

“I'm so happy that we have it,” Power said. “It's really a huge step in safety, and I think it's the best of both worlds. You've got the halo and you've got a screen, so I think that you'll see other open-wheel categories follow suit. When you've driven it for a day, you're going to feel naked without it.”

Andy Damerum, Red Bull Racing’s Commercial Development Officer, appreciated what he heard from the drivers.

“For me, today was all about the drivers’ feedback and seeing what their response was to the device because we knew it was going to work as far as from a structural perspective,” he said. “We've still got a few more tests to do, some rig testing, but it's all looking really good.”

INDYCAR has scheduled additional Aeroscreen tests at Barber Motorsports Park, a permanent road course, with Team Penske’s Simon Pagenaud and Andretti Autosport’s Ryan Hunter-Reay on Oct. 7; Richmond Raceway, a short oval, with Dixon and Team Penske’s Josef Newgarden on Oct. 15; and Sebring International Raceway, a road course which can simulate a street circuit, with Arrow Schmidt Peterson Motorsports’ James Hinchcliffe and Dale Coyne Racing with Vasser-Sullivan’s Sebastien Bourdais on Nov. 5. Aeroscreens are to be delivered to all NTT IndyCar Series teams prior to Christmas.

“This is a total industry-changing driver safety solution, so we couldn’t be more proud of it,” Frye said. “This is, to me, a game changer – this is big. This is something that will really change the complexion of the sport for a long time to come.”

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Looks way better from the side than from the front. I believe that it doesn't need to be quite so wide, especially in the upper region on the sides when looking from the front, but what do I know???

I have a solution! Let’s just have I-Racing type events for every form of racing that may cause personal injury. The drivers could even reach for a cocktail on a long straight away. I know this is a smart a$$ comment but seriously? I don’t want to see anyone get hurt, but people get hurt in industry every day, doing a job they probably hate. I have more I would like to add but I’ll refrain for now. Sorry Mike, but I’m all for safety, but at this rate computer racing may be our destination

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Until you start getting pop-up ads just before you enter turn 3 at Fairbury.

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You’re right, if a technology or design can exist that could save lives, let’s make sure we don’t use it. The intention of developing a safety innovation is to make the sport in its current form safer so it does not have to become “iracing.” You should want safety innovations if you DON’T want iracing.

We are often reluctant to accept change, but it’s well worth it to keep our sport and those who compete in it alive.

To be honest this doesn’t make a difference to me either way, but it has upset plenty of people some of whom I have a great respect for. So obviously it’s an issue.

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I agree, it looks a bit ungainly in the head-on shots especially but ingress/egress would be really difficult if it were any narrower. It's too bad the the gains in appearance with the new aero kit have been somewhat negated, but hopefully they'll have a chance to improve the looks and blend it in better when the new chassis arrives.

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This may not be a PC statement, but I miss the days when I could see a driver(s) fighting the steering wheel through the corners. Now with the drivers being surrounded and encapsulated you really can't see what the driver is doing. I think that takes something away from the sport. Racing can be a dangerous and tough sport that will never be completely safe. Heck, look at bicycle racing, plenty of people get busted up doing that also just as bad if not worse than racecar drivers. Unfortunately iracing might be our future, anyone can do it and you probably won't break a bone or get a concussion doing it.

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I'm fairly certain that even the Tour de France went to mandatory helmets after a fatality in the early 2000's. However, they aren't running 230 around a track with their head exposed to flying debris such as heavy tires, parts, and pieces. It would be pure negligence on the part of safety officials and sanctioning body management in any type of racing to not improve an area that can be easily improved just because "this is the way it's always been done" or a bunch of internet jockeys that aren't driving those cars want to fill their diaper because they "can't see their hands working" or other various nonsense that I've seen the online the past couple of days.

The thought that this improvement is going to take the "thrill" out of the racing is just baloney. Formula style racing is still one of the most dangerous forms on earth, halo/aeroscreen or no halo/aeroscreen. Three incidents in the recent weeks in F2, F3, and IndyCar should be enough evidence of that. One driver is dead, one has recently woke up and has a long recovery and more surgery ahead, and a handful from the F3 and Pocono crashes are lucky to still have their heads attached firmly to their bodies.

There is absolutely no reason with the technology available at present time that we should continue running these cars with a fully open cockpit that allow debris strikes to the head. Could it have saved Wheldon? I lean more to not side, but it would have absolutely saved Wilson who had absolutely nothing to do with Karam's crash other than being in the wrong place at the wrong time and would have kept Hinchcliffe from being knocked unconscious in one of the fastest sectors of the IMS road course. Hunter-Reay has almost had a car land in his lap on three occasions while Rossi nearly had one land in his at Pocono. Just a couple years ago Power nearly got a rear attenuator to the face at Gateway.

As far as I'm concerned people will get over it just like they did with full face helmets, seat belts, rear engines, smaller fuel cells, no more gasoline, wings, street courses, road courses, those evil furriners and if they don't the rest of us of will continue moving forward and leave them behind to pout in whatever decade or century they are still stuck in.

The problem is, Brickyard, that you and IndyCar keep leaving larger and larger chunks of fans behind in an obsessive search of progressivism. Before long, you and a few of your closest buddies will find yourselves alone in the "new decade/century". Safety first!

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Those who would stop watching due to a safety advancement aren't fans to begin with, so good riddance. Not a single person with a functioning brain cell would allow their employer to be negligent in the area of safety and I highly doubt a single one, nor their families if it resulted in death, would wait more than a few hours to contact an attorney to sue the pants off that negligent company if an accident happened due to said negligence.

The fact is the tech has advanced to the stage that we can protect the only thing left unprotected in formula racing without changing the whole formula, even LMP2 went enclosed cockpits and top fuel has enclosed theirs. This ****'s still ultra dangerous just off the speed alone, look what happened when an F2 car was t-boned at Spa in Eau Rouge a few weeks ago. The danger aspect is still there and will always be there, but there is no reason we should have drivers injured or killed because they couldn't dodge and errant tire, a piece of body work, or have a car land on top of their exposed heads because one got flipped up on top of them or they ran up under the rear of one. I can pull up tons of footage in IndyCar where it has happened or we have come close to it happening and the chance of it has increased in recent history due to the closer racing that results in multi car accidents.

If you are OK with killing drivers with errant debris then by all means, kindly show yourself to the door.

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I always get this feeling when I see old footage of years' past, and that feeling pertains to how the cars appeared for their time and the fan appeal. Cars always change in design on the track. Once a huge change occurs in design, after a few races.... heck a few LAPS some times..... I have automatically adjusted to the task at hand - that being the race itself.




Little by little seeing the driver operate has been removed, yes. But after three decades, I don't even think about it - until I see old, and still good, footage.

What might look ugly now, looking back, was top shelf aero and tech back then. Some might see retro as cooler, others might see it as a "what were they thinking?" moment. Either way, I seem to adjust to any changes quite quickly as the sport of motor racing moves on.

This is how extreme the clover safety culture has become. Always willing to excommunicate paying consumers on their endless crusade to control the behaviors of others.

And for who are they standing up for? No competitors have ever publicly clamored for any "solution". In fact, 90% of drivers have NOT come out to publicly support this initiative. You would think if so many fans were out there fighting for their safety at least a couple of these drivers would come out in support of the fans who are, supposedly, fighting for them.

I'll sit back and wait for the next derogatory dissertion on my status as a race fan and citizen of the world.

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You were the one saying people will leave because they no longer can see an individual get clonked in the head by a tire. I kindly showed you the path to the door, it's your choice to open it. I do find it sickening that someone would be so obtuse when it comes to safety. Racing isn't the only place safety evolves due to advancing technology and incidents.

Was I a girly man because I didn't want to be sent to war in the same gear as a Vietnam soldier and somebody out there thought Vietnam era gear complete with a cigarette dangling out of the mouth was "cooler" and completed the whole "war experience"?

They haven't? They aren't? I wouldn't be so sure about that chief. These are the ones that posted something or gave comments during and after the latest test. I've seen others, not of this group, post or say things in the past that have eluded to if not out right said this is needed. Having paid attention to this initiative since Wilson and having talked to those in the paddock that are close to these guys it's closer to 90% than you think. I 100% agree with Marco. But hey, if you want to argue with them, they all have social media accounts. Have at it.

What I know from leading people and having been a part of safety initiatives is that many don't want to rock the boat. It takes a strong willed individual or group to effect change on a broken system, those are your Jackie Stewart types in the racing world. They will not counter those who have been on this thread or Twitter throwing their cat calls of "chicken", "pansy", etc with fists but with their minds. While they are leading the group up to the top of the mountain they'll leave those that would rather stay behind continuing on their path over a cliff and into a deep canyon. In other words, they'll leave what few of you remain yukking it up about how tough you are behind.

Will Power: “I’m so happy we have it. It’s a really huge step in the safety, and I think it ‘s the best of both worlds with the halo and the screen,” Power said. “I think you’ll see other racing categories follow suit. But when you think about it, you’ve driven it for a day, and I think you’re going to feel naked without it because there’s so much protection there.

“I remember a couple times in the last five years on superspeedways … I went like this (bringing his forearm up to shield his face) with my arm, and that’s not going to stop anything that’s going to kill you. But that’s how much stuff you see flying toward your head and how lucky you really are to get through all that stuff anytime.”

Dixon: “I remember hitting concrete walls (before the SAFER Barriers), and it wasn’t fun,” Dixon chuckled. “But this has been a huge advancement, not just for IndyCar, but for what they did for the sport. This has been something we’ve been wanting to implement, but you have to do it the right way with the right product and the right piece and right partners.”

Marco Andretti:To all the fans who think the @IndyCar windscreen doesn’t “look good”. Just remember.. it’s not your heads headed towards the fence. We welcome your responses in any other departments, though.

Rosenqvist: Good to see the aeroscreen live today, without any issues! Pretty or not - I like how @IndyCar has taken an approach without compromises. Don’t forget that we’re still racing on the most pure/hardcore tracks in the world, and for that to happen we need these updates.

Ericsson: Well done
@IndyCar. It’s a huge step for driver safety. And yes it looks a bit strange but everyone that criticise it should remember that always when there is big changes on the looks of racing cars (halo, new aero rules with strange wings etc) it takes time to get used to.

Newgarden: Lovin’ the look of the new aeroscreen! What do you all think?!

Jack Harvey: Thoughts? Personally... maybe not the prettiest but it’s still early. Thought the same about the Halo and now it’s normal. Huge step in safety and I’m always 100% behind that

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That can't be the same Jack Harvey that is the crew chief for Jimmy Wilson, he would never say such a thing. lol. Indy car lost me when it went to fender cars. I still watch the 500 but that's it. BTW I don't like bullriders wearing catchers masks either.

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Jack Harvey the race car driver. They haven't had the "fenders" since last year and that was an initiative to try and keep cars from ramping up into the air with wheel contact brought on directly by the Wheldon accident. Flying cars aren't a good thing for either drivers or fans and if you want ovals to remain safety initiatives like this have to be pushed.

BTW, it's not the first time there have been attempts to enclose wheels on an Indy car. What we have today is because other past initiatives were failures either due to being ahead of the available tech or lost in evolving rules. The current formula could have looked vastly different had multiple things been successful in the past.

I bet if you ask those riders they are glad they have that safety feature to use so they don't have to spend time in the ER getting their face put back together or much worse. My GF rides horses in competition jumping and I have yet to hear someone complain about have to wear impact vests or certain types of helmets. The reason why, just like auto racing, in bull and horse riding there are a million things that can severely injure or kill you, having something fixed that can easily be fixed is just one less thing to worry about.

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I didn't know there was a guy named Jack Harvey racing Indy cars. Did he come from a short track racing background? Not sure about you but racing has always be exciting to me for several reasons, and the element of danger happens to be one of them, that's why every tom, dick, and mary doesn't want to drive a race car.
Maybe I'm a little wacky but in my mechanical professions I have had to do some unsafe acts for my employers that would have been big osha red flags but the jobs have to be done on time and I don't mind a little danger. If the prima donna drivers don't think they are safe enough maybe they should find a safer occupation.

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Apparently you don't pay much attention to the Indy 500's you claim to watch.....

That element hasn't left with the addition of this device. It's purpose is to ensure a higher probability of walking away. It's what we call risk mitigation.

And you are one I wouldn't want within 100 yards of me on a project, nor would you want me near you....see I'm one who once risked prosecution for disobeying an unsafe order. If I or anyone was going down for that order it was going to be for doing the right thing not because we got a bunch of people injured and killed due someone's stupidity. Oh, and the top of the food chain in that organization, the people that matter when the other shoe drops, agreed with me. I wasn't the one sent packing nor was I the one with blood on my hands because "i don't mind a little danger" and I believe "those that don't think it's safe enough should find a safer occupation."

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Maybe I don't pay enough attention to The 500 like I used to. Jack Hewitt I remember, Jack Harvey no.
I can tell you are a bit more passionate about this subject than I am, I am a Neanderthal just ask my wife.
Getting ready to watch the Burg, could give a crap about Indy till May.

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The danger is never going to go away, but if the formula allows an advancement in an area that will further protect a driver, I'm all for it.

I was at the Burg last nigh and Eldora last week, which is funny because a few on here have accused me of being a CART and Penske shill and anti dirt track hero at Indy because I don't have a problem with foreign drivers and road/street courses. There were some heavy crashes both nights that resulted in rollovers or cars in the fence. How many on here, to include yourself, would advocate to go back to the days of no roll cages and seat belts? I find it insane that we used to race that way and the headlines this past week might have very well included the names of three or four dead drives, just from those two tracks alone, if we did. No different here, in a couple of years people will hardly notice and shake their heads at the fact we used to expose these guy's and gal's head to the elements while running 235mph around Indy. Those cars will still injure you very easily, but hopefully we aren't going to have to put another driver on life support or six feet under because they caught a piece of another car that was in an accident they had no part of.

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On that topic, I can remember watching a video on A.J. Foyt. This was probably 25+years ago. At that time, and even moreso, at this time, A.J. was a true product of racing through the decades.

The topic at this point in the video pertained to cars crashing, rolling over, and drivers being hurt or, worse yet, killed. Safety was always improving, but should always CONTINUE to improve.

A.J. noted that back in the days before roll cages and and better driver protection (full face helmets, neck braces, etc.) you had to think twice before making a daring cut and slice type move or throwing your car in real deep into a corner to outbreak your opponent. If you made a mistake and your car rolled or crashed, you would then have 3, 4, 5 months, or so, laying in a hospital bed, thinking about it. And once healed and back racing, trying that again without remembering what went wrong last time.

Nowadays (referring to midgets/sprints/Silver Crown) you have full roll cages and the drivers are heavily protected via belts, helmets, and padding. He pointed out that it was common back in the "old days" to pack pieces of cardboard under your driver's suit for shoulder padding.

But with this extra protection, the attitude of the new drivers changed. They became more daring. So you flip, roll, and crash? Now you just climb out through the cage and go on to your next race. It changed the racing ITSELF. If you were not willing to continually throw yourself into the frying pan with over the top moves, you were not going to get ahead. Too many of the other drivers will do it for you. Now your veteran drivers are not just the ones leading the big dicey daring moves. The new drivers are doing it, too. EVERYONE knows you have a much less chance of injury due to the safety upgrades, so, in a sense, everyone gained a little more courage for the envelope could be pressed further.

Now, this type of analogy really is not that applicable to IndyCars, for there is only so many daring moves one could make vice a sprint car. But, could it possibly change the dynamics of the racing form from what it is today? I do not think it would be as much as, let us say, when wings came about, or rear engine cars, but a change is a change and everything will play out. I think if anything, it might change the aero on the cars, but when all chassis are the same.....?

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I don't know if it has been discussed, I didn't know until I saw this video. But 2 drivers were saved from possible injury by the halo in the Hulbert crash as is seen in this footage... Very interesting.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msmbe3ijMXo
Also if you're interested, check out the smoke coming from Correa's car befor he hit Hulbert, it appears his front wing endplate is gone. Possibly from hitting flying debris and getting lodged up the car and keeping him from steering/braking correctly???

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That very thing has been discussed quite a bit by Robin Miller, Marshall Pruett, and drivers that as the cars have become safer drivers are more willing to make more aggressive moves, especially on the road courses with more run off....you still don't want to tempt the catch fence in one of these cars. Drivers have much better frontal impact protection, side, and rear impact protection than they ever have.

I think many view the type of aggression seen during the old lower HP higher downforce IRL package as a different animal. Drivers were put in that position on some of the ovals, needlessly I might add. A car would get a run, then stall, creating in some cases a pack type deal where multi car crashes could happen with one mistake. I think the aggressiveness in today's formula comes from some part safety some part getting that edge at the start/restart because of how close competition has become. I think both attributed to the bold turn 2 sector moves we saw at Pocono the past two years. The 2018 accident wasn't the first time I had seen Wickens make a bold move going into a turn. We've all seen Rossi make some daring moves on the outside at Indy that many wouldn't have tried in the past.

From what Power said from his test at Indy, the aeroscreen, in his opinion, helped the balance by shifting some of the weight forward. RHR couldn't get a good feel on the road course test at Barber due to the new pavement and rain. They are testing again at Sebring so there will be place they have testing data for with an unchanged surface. Even though the cars are the same, some teams will be better at adapting depending on how good of a damper, engineering, and driver program they have. As in the past with change, we might even see some mid pack teams cope with it better than some of the bigger teams, if it's even that big of a deal to begin with.

But back to aggressive driving, even with what has been seen as more of it and with a car that has more power and less downforce, thus harder to drive, they've only seen 3.5 cautions per race since the demise of the old IRL formula with the past two years in the new formula well below that at 2.6 per race. Pre 2011 was seeing 5.1 per race. Granted, there are many factors that go into that, but just going off from 2012 onward, with a similar schedule and increasingly harder car to drive, we've seen numbers trend lower.

Cautions per race:
2012: 4.1, 2013: 4.5, 2014: 3.6, 2015: 4.6, 2016: 2.8, 2017: 4, 2018: 2.6, 2019: 2.6.

Due to accident/spin:
2012: 49, 2013: 63, 2014: 55, 2015: 45, 2016: 34, 2017: 35, 2018: 34, 2019: 36

During that time you've seen ovals stay in the 5 to 6 mark, street courses(which can see a lot of carnage) went from 6 in 2012 to 10 in 2013 down to 8 in 2014 to the current 5 the following year. IMO, one of the biggest factors, even with the aggression, has been in that cockpit. People can pout all they want about where these drivers come from, but it's hard to deny that the caliber from top to bottom has increased every year since 2008 reunification.

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Yep, and kept Charles Leclerc from being hit from a piece of Alonso's car last year at Spa.

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/14...e-in-spa-crash

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Absolutely!

Gee, sounds like the Silver Crown cars should be a part of the Indy Car circuit, given that they have full cages and other safety upgrades. Of course that would mean Penske et al would have to field a different kind of car, OH forgot that's the reason they originally gave for dropping them. Do they now run same car on ovals, streets, and road courses? Not! Also, would mean they would have to scout talent in traditional American racing venues. Sadly, will never happen.

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:deadhorse::deadhorse::deadhorse: