Let’s hear everyone’s viewpoint on who won.

I wasn’t there but have read/seen the race monitor results as well as screen shots of the finish.,

No question on who won. Throttle and Tony Epperson won in that non competitive car as some were saying on here a few weeks ago when DD drove it. Congrats men.

Bobby Smith

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Cottle clearly had the advantage at the line. Read USAC's report on the race and it explains how they score the finish.


Bruce Eckel :6::D:6::8::6::10:

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I've watched it over and over again and it's just so close. It looks like Leary by a thread, but the camera angle is to the left of the flag stand, which would favor the closest car (Leary, in this case). The only way I could question the decision made is if I saw a shot that was verifiably exactly behind the start/finish line. When it's that close and in this case even Race-Monitor had it Leary by 2/1000ths of a second (1/300th of the time it takes to blink your eye) you just have to rely on the decision made at the time. So, I don't think there's any controversy here. Other than that which automatically comes with races that are virtually almost a dead heat, like this one.

Jerry

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One thing that isn’t controversial is that Gas City did an outstanding job hosting the first round of Indiana Sprintweek.

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I'd say that whatever Levi and Spridge say is final, period, regardless.

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I sure hope someone woke Leroy Jenkins up for that amazing finish!:3:

https://imgur.com/a/P0beZBf

Sure looks to me like USAC is wrong.

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1. Hang transponders on front of car, not rear. Confirm all transponders on in the same/correct position on each car before qualifying and after post race tech.
2. Clearly mark and define start/finish line, not always at flag stand.
3. Make the timing loop official, and don’t rely on live time sight/camera replay and all the variables.
4. Awesome to see The Throttle so pumped!

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Camera position to the left of the flagstand (parallax error).
Image so blurry you can't even SEE the flagstand.
Fuzzy grayish vertical thing (a fence post?) obscuring CJ's front end.
Image so blurry it's also hard to clearly see CJ's car, let alone not being able to see the front end.
Throttle's car several feet down track, making it appear smaller (perspective), also making it look like it may be behind the other car even if it's not (perspective/parallax).
No clear indication of where the finish line actually is.

Yeah. Absolutely. No question.
Congrats to Shane and the Epperson team.

Hears a question, why did they move sunshine in his heat race from the outside row to the inside on last double file start on heat,Mattox should have been inside row 2 after the first 2 starts and guys spinning, just wondering ?

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I believe the transponders register who won, same thing happened yrs ago at a big race at Kokomo:31:, Weir went to the high side passed 1st & 2nd & won, transponders said so:32:. Does anyone check the position of these things b4 a race?? :6:

Good problem to have. Hats off to everyone involved. Gas City looks great. Racing is alive ! ! !

No one asked the important question.Is it determined by the nose of the car,or by the transponder?

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It would be nice to rely on the transponders. However, I remember several years ago, at the Chili Bowl, they had to go to photos to determine finishing positions due to Damion Gardner being so high in the air when he crossed the line that the transponder didn't register.

Transponders are only for qualifying. First front bumper to checkered is the winner. They use a camera at the start finish line to determine who was there first. Cottles bumper was there first. I was told the transponder line is before the finish line.

Bobby Smith

Here it is.

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Front wheels are the call. From USAC:

http://www.usacracing.com/news/item/...y-photo-finish

"A glance at the timing showed Leary on top of the leaderboard as Cottle celebrated his triumph in victory lane. However, the transponder on the rear bumper of Leary’s car crossed the timing loop prior to the transponder on the tail of Cottle’s car, positioning Leary in front of Cottle on timing.

However, per USAC rule Part VI 9.4.C, a car will be officially credited with a lap only when its front wheels cross the start/finish line after completing one entire circuit of the course. The USAC chief scorer and race director unanimously agreed that Cottle’s front wheels crossed the start/finish line before Leary’s."

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I think this is what WinglessLovers was referring to earlier in the thread.

Whoever won, that was some fantastic racing. TrAck prep was on point.

We were told by the manufacturer, when we bought our transponders the reason for mounting them on the rear was the signal they send out is in a circle, that extends past the front wheels, and mounting them in the rear makes them more protected from damage, for what they cost, that's the way we mounted them.

Show me a straight shot at the line. Not one angled and before the line. Not surprised to see a bunch of USAC brown nosers here.

Since you're the one disputing the call, how about YOU showing "a straight shot at the line". Besides if USAC was going to manipulate the results, don't you think it would have been in favor of the USAC regular?

Cuz the NOS drivers do whatever they want duh

I couldn't watch it live cuz I had to get up at 5:30 and work outside all day cuz my job can't be done at nighttime

There must be about 50 photographers in the infield and not one got a shot of the finish?

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I would love to have this problem being a promoter. A true photo finish controversy. Great show and so was Plymouth tonight.

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If there was 100 photographers in the infield, unless they got a perfectly straight angle standing directly at the start/finish line none of them really matter for the finish. Perspective can show 2e in front and 5 other perspectives can show the 19az in front. Unless you got exactly the correct, right angle and the right moment, you're not going to get the 100% actual finish. I've seen about 5 different videos, one being Flo, 2 being from the pit stands (one being in turn 4 other in turn 3 and 3 from the main stands at different places. Some of them show 2e winning others show 19az. It was an amazing finish and race. Also this is a good problem to have, at least 1st and 2nd wasn't a mile away from each other like Eldora.

My 2 cents- get a finish line cam. Go pros are as cheap as $200, and they're clear as day. Put a marker in the infield, dead shot straight across to a GoPro aimed at said marker. No more controversy

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Seems like a reasonable investment for a national touring series/sanctioning body to have for all of their events.

The only controversy I see is weather USAC has the best camera for the job, the finish was not.