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brad hibbard 4/3/15 7:47 AM

GM 602 Sprint Crate Engine Ready for 2015
 
Engines retain factory GM seals and are equipped with a high security secondary seal that is registered and documented to further the integrity of the program

GM 602 Crate Sprint Engine Program
Pace Performance/ Race 1/ Blackshear Racing Engine

Base GM 602 Sprint Engine: $3975
Includes: Rear Cam Drive--Balance Hub with Drive Yoke

Entry level 602 Engine Package :
Pace Performance/GM 602 Sprint Engine
~With rear cam drive installed, balance hub including drive yoke
~HD Alum water pump, Alum V groove pulley kit w/belts,
~Fuel pump &Thermostat block off plates, Water fittings
~ Holley 750 cfm Alcohol carb ARP Carb stud kit, Bypass fuel regulator, Carb fittings w/ fuel log, Carb spacer plate w/linkage kit
~Washable Air filter kit, Pace/Moroso plug wire set, NGK spark plugs
~Schoenfeld spec headers, MSD 6200 rpm rev limiter,
~8 qts of break-in oil w/ Wix racing filter.
All parts and engine are race prepped including Dyno break-in and tuning.

Complete Total Package Cost $6950.00

Elite package upgrade: Stealth custom carburetor, Aeromotive bypass regulator, KRC water pump, KRC serpentine pulley kit w/tensioner, R2C air filter kit. Add $1850.00

Package does NOT include: battery, fuel pump, fuel lines, water lines or mufflers.

Contact:
John McDevitt/Pace Performance 800-748-3748
Don Blackshear/Blackshear Racing 724-977-7424
Brad Hibbard/Race 1 330-540-7223

DAD 4/3/15 3:20 PM

Re: GM 602 Sprint Crate Engine Ready for 2015
 
Brad

Thanks for the info>>>>>now for just a little more info What does 602 and 604 represent? Why is the 604 so much more expensive? Do you have any literature or info?

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

brad hibbard 4/3/15 5:40 PM

Re: GM 602 Sprint Crate Engine Ready for 2015
 
602 and 604 are the last 3 digits of the part number used for the GM circle track crate engines

the 602 is an iron headed version with a cast crank and hydraulic flat tappet camshaft
the 604 is more of a performance oriented engine with aluminum heads, billet crankshaft, and hydraulic roller camshaft

both engines have been proven very durable in circle track use over the last 10 years and the parity is incredible for each individual engine

the 602 is advertised at 350 HP and the 604 is at 400 HP

I will add more info later on tonight
thanks for asking
Brad
www.race-1.com
www.paceperformance.com

brad hibbard 4/4/15 6:01 AM

Re: GM 602 Sprint Crate Engine Ready for 2015
 
more response for DAD (I like your avatar by the way)

the advertised power #'s are "engine" baseline and are very consistant
they are based off of a 650 carburetor with a non oxygenated gasoline and a very basic header

common racing fuels and upgraded components can bump them numbers 10 to 12 percent but that is about the top

question of cost difference 602 VS 604
the base engine cost is just over $2200 more for the 604
the main component difference is the ignition
the 602 engine comes from GM with an HEI distributor and keeping with the theme of the entry level "budget" package, we have utilized that distributor.
the 604 engine come with NO distributor from GM so we elected to use a magneto to stay with traditional sprint car accessories eliminating any need for a battery

other ignition forms are applicable for either engine but this is what we decided on for our package engines.

hope that helps a bit

as ever
Brad

racerX 4/6/15 2:51 PM

Re: GM 602 Sprint Crate Engine Ready for 2015
 
Is looks like it won't be for everyone but will be for the blue collar worker that pays the bills himself with no help, or the racer that is can't afford to run the 410's or 360's. From what i understand this is the class they are going to start at Plymouth Speedway for 2016 with a non wing class. Plymouth Track manager Keith Beeching says they will be running a couple of car for exhibition on Saturday night and If enough cars show later in the season they would consider racing them. GM says that the motor will run 2-3 race season and only thing to do is change valve springs that cost $49 each year. I still like going to Kokomo and watching 410 cars but it would be great to have 20-25 410's and 20-25 602 cars on a Sunday night. To think a guy could buy a sprint car for less than $15,000 and race 2-3 year. :8:

98arpy 4/6/15 10:21 PM

The original concept was for this division to be a stepping stone for those racing mini and micro sprints for about the same cost.
What has been surprising is the interest from street stock and modified drivers as well as older former drivers that still want to race on a budget.

nathans1012 4/6/15 10:49 PM

Re: GM 602 Sprint Crate Engine Ready for 2015
 
Would be cool to see this concept actually gain some traction and watch the interest grow.
Crate Late Models are big in some areas down south there's nothing that says that couldn't happen to sprint cars here.
The biggest problem with Crate Late Models is the tech.
If those cars are tech properly this might would depending on the interest it generates from being able to race a Non-Wing Sprint Car on a supposed budget.
Good luck to those involved in trying to make this work and giving folks on a budget a chance at racing sprints.

98arpy 4/7/15 7:58 AM

Re: GM 602 Sprint Crate Engine Ready for 2015
 
Nathan,
The difference between the 602 program that most tracks and soon possibly a sanctioning body is that a new engine is less than $3,500 dollars.
Because of this engine rebuilds will not be allowed like the 604 programs. There will be approved minor repairs at certified repair locations.
Larry

racerX 4/7/15 9:28 AM

Re: GM 602 Sprint Crate Engine Ready for 2015
 
Larry,
I like this idea. And you are correct TECH is the key to make this a success. The question is will it take away from other classes???? It may for a few but I would rather have them do that than stop racing all together. Or maybe the older guys may come out of retirement to have some fun. Again the 410 and 360 cars are still the big show. But this could get your sprint car racing fix for alot less money.:6:

sprintracer82 4/7/15 9:41 AM

How much will this class pay? With all the engine combinations I've ran the cost to race every night was still pretty much the same.
Nick Landon

brad hibbard 4/8/15 8:16 AM

Re: GM 602 Sprint Crate Engine Ready for 2015
 
I see posters commenting on tech
I have been involved with the GM CT crate engine for nearly 10 years and know that one of the biggest problems with keeping the engines paired up is the tech process
the counterfit seals that are available are part of the problem but there are many other concerns amongst racers and promoters as to how to tech and what to look for when teching----then comes the problem of who is going to tech

we went back to the beginning and decided that the engine seal itself will do a major part in conrolling the burden of tech and cheating

although all the engines in this program do have the original GM seals in place

we have elected to step up the seal program on every engine in this program

the original GM seals do remain in place but a high security double logo cable seal system is also installed in 6 locations

1 on each head --2 on the intake--1 on the timing cover and 1 on the oil pan

further more each seal is wrapped with a tampere evident foil tape that is logo and QR coded for easy access to the documentation on the website

each engine is issued a build # which is stamped into the intake

all the seal #'s and locations along with serial # information and customer name is available for anyone to see on our website ----which makes the tech process much more accurate and quicker.

Brad Hibbard
www.race-1.com

98arpy 4/8/15 8:20 AM

Re: GM 602 Sprint Crate Engine Ready for 2015
 
Nick,
In discussions with tracks that have been running the 602 engine for several years in east coast modified sportsman, late model and stock cars the average life is 2-3 seasons based on a 20 25 event season. Some are more.
This is in 2,500#-3,500# car so a 1,575# sprint car should at a minimum equal that. These engine will compete with a 6,200 rpm chip.
This would be an average engine cost of $70.00 per event. I don't know of any other engine program that is anyway close to that.
There will be a yet to be determined shock and tire program.
Currently street stock and mini sprint divisions with much higher engine costs are racing for $350-$450 to win and $75-$100 to start.
While it will be up to the tracks to determine purses I believe that with a purse in the upper end of that this division will be overall much more cost efficient.
Thanks for your interest,
Larry Kemp

EPA Photography 4/30/15 1:33 PM

Re: GM 602 Sprint Crate Engine Ready for 2015
 
I've been priced out of sprint car racing three times. I do believe this formula will work and the work that Race 1 has done is amazing in the 602 SC concept. I live in an area that is the worst in the nation for sprint cars, we have very few to none. I was hopeful that the 305's would start to grow in the area but they now have gone up way too far in price. We have a multitude of 602's in this area, following the lead of Ohsweken Speedway we are moving to build a 602 sprint car class in my area, an area where sprint cars have never existed. One thing that is noticed in this area is that one of the biggest nights of fan attendance happens when the USCS sprint cars come to town. Sprint cars bring fans to the stands, they like the wings. This 602 concept makes sprint cars more affordable than most of the lower stock car classes in this area… its true! I am moving to do this and trying to set the example because I work for a living and do have bills to pay and mouths to feed. In this area my back is so far against the wall on this and I often wonder what the hell I’m thinking. I do not know why I am so compelled to do this but I feel I have to try. We have drivers that want to do this but I have to be the one to pull the trigger. I do expect buy mid-year 2016 I will have something to get on the track and let the drivers try out on a practice nights. I do have tracks in this area watching this because they know this is also affordable for them as well and fans will come.

If anyone has any leads on good used rollers please let me know.

Regards


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