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Did you see what Lawrenceburg is charging their fans to get into the track this season? For a 3 class show(Sprints, Mods, purestocks) they are charging $15 for adults and $7.00 for kids 7-12...It doesn't appear any of this money is going to the drivers as the purse structure looks to be very similar to 2007 so why the $3.00 per person hike in Gate admission??? So if myself and my 2 sons come over, i'm looking at $29 before I even walk in the gate...OUCH!!
I'm not a weekly supporter of L'burg, but in the past I have been there as many as 12 times a year, that did not happen in 07 because of the kids prices, and it will definately not happen in 08 with the new adult prices at the Burg. In a day and time when folks are having to scrape up money to do anything extra, L'burg does this to it's fans. If they are charging $15 for regular shows, I can't imagine how much they will charge for their WOO, Sprint Week and Lucas races...I know someone will get on here and say if you can't afford it, don't go, well I can afford it, but that's not the point, if enough of the folks that can't afford it don't go, before long there won't be a L'burg Speedway to not go to... Dave are you guys giving away alot of free adult tickets and having raffles and giveaways for adults now too, because you did all that for kids was your reasoning for overcharging for them... the dirty one!!! |
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Whenever somebody moans about the present cost of something, I always go to the online inflation calculator http://www.dollartimes.com/calculators/inflation.htm
to compare today's real dollar value from the past. In 1970 the going admission to a racetrack was around $3-$4. Using an average of $3.50 in the calculator, the present day admission should be $19.54. Be happy it is now only $15.:rolleyes: Ticket prices are doing much better than gas at the moment, but not as good as milk. Personally, I get more than 2-1/2 times better gas mileage than I did in 1970 and drink about the same amount of milk. So, it looks like we're ahead of the game. |
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Well I guess you haven't noticed the entire overhaul at the Burg, you must not take advantage of all the great pics that have been posted of the construction progress. In my opinion this is going to be a Class A facility when finished and you can't ***** about that. Out here in Cali I pay $13-$15 for all local shows at tracks that haven't had updates to them in 10 plus years on top of that they are all wanger shows so poor you, you get a steal at $15 a show at a top notch facility and top notch traditional sprint racing. So I will be the first to say if you don't like it don't go.Whiner:crying:
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Originally Posted by GPracing6: And Al, your online inflation calculater, does it factor in what the tracks in the area are charging and the fact that L'burg is pricing themselves out of business???? the dirty one!!! |
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It's still a whole lot cheaper than going to a pro sports event. You can't hardly sit in the cheap seats of a Cards or Cubs game for that much. If you want real sticker shock, check out what it costs to go to an NFL game. I only get to go to around 6 to 8 races a year, so a few bucks extra for a ticket is not going to bug me too much. The closest tracks however are over an hour away, so the gas prices are what catches my attention. :icon_smile_blackeye But I'm still going!:thumb
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Originally Posted by Dirtball00: |
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Also in California some of the places/track charge for parking.
1) I guess if thier is something you want to see, you will pay for it. a) But I got a "running throug a redlight" ticket from one of those camera traffic tickets a few weeks ago. It will cost me 500 dollars. b) I don't think I ran it, more like a "hollywood stop", late at night. 2) So you can complain all you want for good reason, but hopefully there is something you want to see, to pay the 15.00 dollars. a) For me they pay you to park and 40.00 pit pass just to help somebody out. Sincerely, Larry Otani:applaud: |
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It's a great facility with great racing. If you figure you get 4 or 5 hours of entertainment, that is only approximately $7.50 per hour for entertainment for four people. If you eat and drink there (except for beer) that's your fault because you can bring it in with you much cheaper. Doesn't seem that bad to me for what you get. Sure, I would love for it to be cheaper, but I would also like for a lot of other things to be cheaper too.
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Life's too short. Go and enjoy the races. You can always make up the difference in price with your economic stimulus check from the government.:D:angry-smiley-007:
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My check is going for gas on my gotta see some racing stimulus! :doh:
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I understand where this guy is coming from, I remember how pi#$@% I was when the transponder deal came about, I also agree with the people that say it is worth it. (straddling the fence here) I also know this will affect a lot of people on weather they go thru the gate or not, what about the cars that are not going to show because the track is bigger? I heard the guy that called in on the radio (700 WLW) show the other night say he was not going back because of the change in size. We will be there for the big show and until then I have no opinion on the change. (doubt we run many regular shows as it is to hard on motors) As far as the stimulus check did you guys now we borrowed this money from China and this is not free and clear as they are fronting us next years tax check. ( I will not get started on that again) Things are hard for all of us and I think track owners are going to have a hard year as people just do not have the money they had before. I know for a fact this year is an all or nothing for Spencer Racing as we have come to close to losing everything we own to chase Josh's dream. Thanking for listening to me ramble. :checkered:
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Jerry,
I hadn't considered the new track size would be a factor in the success of the new facility, but you would know best. I do know that we had a similar situation in PA with the Super Sportsman. When Silver Spring closed and the Sportsmen went to the Grove, car count went from 50+ to 30 something. I hope that doesn't happen there. |
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Everybody has valid points. Who wants to pay more for something? Not me. What promoter wants to lose money? I'm not a promoter, but if I was one I would say "not me." Fuel prices are high and going higher - whether its gasoline, deisel, or methanol. What can you do?
Pick and choose is the only solution. I love racing but I also love to eat and have a roof over my head. I will be more selective as to what races to attend. If you think prices at the 'burg are too high - do what the truckers did yesterday - protest - don't buy a race a ticket - vote with your wallet as they say. Dave Rudisell has just as much right to raise prices as you do to not go to a race there. |
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I look for $15 to be the going rate for all tracks within the next year or two.
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I think the new track size and banking will affect the car counts eventually, if not right away, whether it be racers simply not showing up or, through attrition via the new concrete wall and higher speeds. The old track was much more forgiving. If you messed up you simply went over the bank. Cars do tend rollover more times when there is nothing to break the chain of flips but, on the other hand, there was no wall or catch fence to throw you back onto the racing surface in front of traffic (which scares me to Death as a father). One thing we know for sure is that the methanol bill will be higher and possibly the tire bill. I guess tire wear will depend on how they prepare the surface. I hope we get through the year safely and with our equipment intact. Like Jerry and Josh, we're about done if we break it again. I hope the new version of the "Burg" turns out to be very safe for everyone and a huge success. I love Lawrenceburg and grew up at Lawrenceburg Speedway. I guess it's simply wait and see for all of us.
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It will not be long when we find out if what drivers have said for a long time is true, "We will race for nothing" and "If now one was in the stands would you still be able to race"
Jerry #66j www.joshspencer.com |
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Originally Posted by Dirtball00: Buddy, Im not complaining one bit. When the promotor only breaks even or looses money on a local show, You have to do something. In comparison, 1989 Winged sprint show with simular purse (Even less through the park) the cost of a ticket was 17. Movie Ticket: 10.00 Its a couple bucks higher but he also does a lot more things for the fans than most tracks. Concessions are still reasonable and #1 reason your probably paying more here than other local tracks. YOU CAN BRING YOUR OWN COOLER and even you own beer (IF your on the backstraight) #2 reason is he knocked off a class of race cars that the back gate actually made a profit. I B*tch too about not being able to bring a cooler into tracks like KOKOMO and GAS CITY but if they can't make a dime without the rule, Whats the point in working four days a week for nothing or even loosing money? Not bashing you. The prices in the early 90s did cause several familys not to visit on a regular basis. 15 bucks, Thats about two gallons of gass these days. If it was 20 or 25 for a regular show, I'd probably wouldn't visit but 15 bucks is the best entertainment value in greater cincinnati (BY FAR) Kings Island 49.50 Museum center 9 dollars times three to do it all plus 7 for a special exihbit. Movie 9 dollars plus 6.50 popcorn and 7 dollar coke Reds 9 dollars (Cheap seat) 9 dollar parking. 4 dollar hot dog and 7 dollar beer. Bengals 38.50 for nose bleed and 20 dollar parking Im not bashing you. Hell it cost me 25 dollars in gas to do the 80 mile round trip to get there and back. The actual cost of the race is MINOR. Understanding but its the same way with everything Chuck, who says if you can't afford to go to a race, You probably can't do any of the other things and (I UNDERSTAND THAT TOO!) :) :respect::greenflag: |
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Originally Posted by Dirtball00: I made the other post before realizing who was posting. Weren't you banned before? BTW, Do you realize it will cost Dave and company twice as much in equiptment fuel as last year. For lighting probably ten times as much. Hes raising the addmission far less than his actual cost are going up. Chuck, Who hasn't even checked what his cost will be to get in ELDORA saturday. IT's SOMETHING I WANT TO DO and did without a few things to BE ABLE TO DO IT. |
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Originally Posted by Seadog: |
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Gas $3.35
Milk 4 bucks Sprintcars on dirt PRICELESS |
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Originally Posted by Charles Nungester: As the value of the dollar falls farther and farther down the cost of everthing will increase and this will continue regardless of who is in the white house it has to do with the federal reserve and the M3 index growing at record rates and a lack of backing for the dollar |
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Originally Posted by Dirtball00: Heck, it's worth the price of admission, at The Burg, just to see Marv Fish light up like a child on Christmas morning, when the modifieds roll onto the track for their "B" Main.:O: Jerry |
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The Fairgrounds Got 2 & 1/2 Million For The Track From The River Boats! Track Fact! I Hope Its Not To Fast For The Local Drivers?
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Last Friday I wen't to a a rodeo here in Evansville, family of four was 100.00 to get in, 4 hot dogs, 2 large cokes, a bottle of water, large pocorn, king size Reese cup 28.00. I think they had 8 bull riders which turned in to 10 total rides and only two full rides, 0 full rides in the finals I think one cowboy stayed on for 3.5 seconds, yea they had a few bare broncs, saddle broncs, and the girls doing barrell racing. The show started at 7:30PM took intermission did the finals and was on my way home at 9:30PM. Yes it was my choice to go to the rodeo and while I feel it was really expensive I will probably go again next year. Dollar for dollar it was not even close to a sprint car race.
On another note not once did the rodeo clown stand in front of me and totally block my view while there was acton in the arena. For those of you that remember that drama last year I'm still not over it. :headbang |
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The more people back a promoter the more he gets away with....and everyone has a knack for kissin a$$
If gas went to $5 a gallon and the country went nuts, how long would it stay at $5? Dirtball has a point, and from what I have seen of the track its not going to be very racy. Quote me on that. I don't think $15 is outrageous, but I will not show up half as many times as I did last year, and to know that the payout is not very grand, and that this is the only racetrack I know of that is paid for by an outside source. I will not spend my money there! I cant wait to read the responses. I think dirtball hasn't posted any replys for the same reason I won't- you guys are very intiment with dave rudisell and his cause. Im not saying you are wrong for that and don't attack me for saying it, but from an outsider standpoint there are many points you, on this board won't acknowledge. |
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Here in Indiana track admission prices are among the lowest in the country. In 1993 I was paying $14 to get into East Windsor Speedway in N.J. on a Friday night. At Riverhead Raceway on Long Island current admission on a Saturday night is $23. While salaries are higher back east the cost of living more than eats that up. Someone in Indiana making $30K annually is better off than someone with the same situation (# of kids, house, etc.) in metro NY making $70K. Fifteen bucks for three or four hours of entertainment is a bargain. When I go to Gas City on a HARF night and pay $6 to get in I almost feel like I'm stealing something. The only thing that I wish more tracks would do is to have a low cost family admission such as Terre Haute is doing. Other than that I feel very fortunate to be paying what I do to see the great racing here in Hoosierland!
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I think it's a little steep for a local show concidering the payout.But that wouldn't stop me from going:thumb
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J.M.O.. Can anyone say wing's, or special shows. That is just the felling going around.
Jerry #66j Www.joshspencer.com |
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Im just waiting on them to use the inflation caculator on the purses. lol I couldnt resist just having some fun. Wish Lawrenceburg the best of luck with this season.:thumb
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we will be there,come hell or high water.costing about 2 grand to get to some real racing.15.00 to get in DUH.
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Originally Posted by mowerman: |
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THAT will be our frist one. cannot wait.see you all then.
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I bet Bob is asleep on the couch and his better half is at the key board.:rolling
Jerry #66j www.joshspencer.com |
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Originally Posted by Larryoracing: |
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How does the L-Burg purse stack up against Gas City, Kokomo and Bloomington.
I thought they were all pretty close together |
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[QUOTE=Charles Nungester;33270]I made the other post before realizing who was posting. Weren't you banned before?
BTW, Do you realize it will cost Dave and company twice as much in equiptment fuel as last year. For lighting probably ten times as much. QUOTE] NO I have NEVER been banned from anywhere, if I were banned Dave wouldn't be emailing me trying to bribe me with free tickets so I would shut up, would he(I have the email to prove it)??? I do realize his costs went up, but compare his Admission price to say the 1/2 mile Florence Speedway where regular show admission is $10 for adults and $1.00 for kids, running 4 classes and done by 10:30-11:00 every saturday. Using your logic, Florence should up their gate since it's bigger than L'burg is gonna be. This is not a Florence vs. L'burg post so don't turn it into one please. My problem here is, if people don't take a stand now it's going to get worse and worse. Here's how it works, fans say "Ahh, $15 ain't so bad", then the next year "darn it's $17 to get in now" then before you know it "holy crap it's $20 to get into a regular show now, this is crazy".. You cannot wait until we're paying the $20 for a 3 class regular shows to start to complain, you have to put a stop to it now(see gas prices for example). To the guy from California, if enough people had complained or boycotted that track when it started charging for parking, maybe just maybe you wouldn't be having to pay it now. And dang it people, quit comparing going racing with going to ball games or movies or Kings Island and especially a Rodeo. You cannot do that, it's totally different, those venues do not depend on their patrons/fans to attend on a weekly basis, they aren't concerned with repeat business. Racing families go racing every weekend, sometimes more than once, and racetracks depend on US to pay their bills, because they depend on us to be there EVERY weekend. There are very few people that go to a ball game, movie and Kings Island 25-50 times a year like race fans do. Therefore you cannot make those comparisons... All I can do is try and let enough people know what's up and let them make their own decision on whether to go or not. I had some ex-L'burg regulars tell me this weekend, they only went to the Burg one time last year because of the outrageous kids prices, and the only reason they paid that last year was because they were already there. I'm trying to let people know about it before they get there...like someone else said, it's up to you to decide to go or not, I choose NOT and I hope alot of others follow suit!!! the dirty one!! |
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Dirtball, Yes!! please post my bribes to you, i'd like for everyone to see what i wrote to you.
I'd love to know where you work or what kind of business your in. I feel sorry for the gas station attendants where you get your gas from. I gotta go and complain to the farmer down the road now, I am never eating cereal again, due to the cost of milk!!! Maybe i'll eat my cereal with Budweiser, its cheaper. Take care and enjoy your internet battles. Dave Rudisell |
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Originally Posted by Charles Nungester: $10 for Florence to stand in a puddle of urine in the bathroom or $15 to attend a nice race facility. Maybe Florence should up their admission and improve the facility. Oh, but you wouldn't go then. Can't have that happen. |
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I wonder why DirtballOO does not post his name.
I have no problem taking credit for my position when I feel passionate enough to state it publicly. It is very easy to take shots when you are hiding in the tall grass! Rob Hoffman |
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